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Post by amanitovirosa on Dec 22, 2015 21:19:29 GMT -5
...sorry guys, won't be able to get anything out before Christmas, just too busy. As early as possible in the new year, weather permitting. I think we have our winners already. I personally promise (to myself) to break the 2 inch barrier in 2016!
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Post by lloyd on Dec 22, 2015 21:57:48 GMT -5
I wonder if we could get some Colchicine and make a tetraploid VFT in TC.
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Post by amanitovirosa on Dec 22, 2015 22:02:55 GMT -5
I wonder if we could get some Colchicine and make a tetraploid VFT in TC. ...sorry Lloyd, I have no idea what you just said. |
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Post by lloyd on Dec 22, 2015 22:14:14 GMT -5
Most plants are diploid-2 sets of chromosomes. Colchicine is a chemical (from Crocus bulbs) that prevents the chromosomes from separating into the two new cells during (non-sexual) cell division. Thus one cell gets all the chromosomes and so is tetraploid-4 sets of chromosomes. Tetraploid plants are usually much bigger. Thereby producing giant mutated VFT's that will rampage around the neighbourhood eating giant inflatable Santa's, etc.
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Post by H2O on Dec 22, 2015 22:23:56 GMT -5
I wonder if we could get some Colchicine and make a tetraploid VFT in TC. I thought the exact same thing as you, in orchids we do it all the time so why not VFT's. Did a lot of reading into it and apparently it didn't work. I'll look up the paper a guy wrote on it. |
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Post by amanitovirosa on Dec 22, 2015 22:25:12 GMT -5
...very interesting, I have purple and white Crocuses that pop up in my backyard in very late winter/early spring. I have read that Colchicine causes mutation, not necessarily abnormal size. Either way I would happily contribute any Dionaea that would be required for such an experiment.
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Post by amanitovirosa on Dec 31, 2015 23:34:02 GMT -5
...wow, this year flew by! It would appear that we have our winners, here is the list.
1st Place - H20 - 4445 SVFTU - 44.45 mm - 1 3/4"
2nd Place - me - 4127.5 SVFTU - 41.275 mm - 1 5/8"
3rd Place - H20 - 3968.75 SVFTU - 39.6875 mm - 1 9/16"
...another strange turn of events, H20 wins in this contest twice! Prizes are forthcoming. I'll do this again for 2016 and we should look for a way to more accurately measure the traps. Congrats to Justin and a big thanks to all who took part, see you in 2016! I cannot believe that my less than a year old seedling came in second! Happy Growing to all and let's make 2016 the year of the 6350 SVFTU trap! You do the math. Cheers!
Gabriel.
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Post by Apoplast on Jan 1, 2016 9:44:20 GMT -5
I wonder if we could get some Colchicine and make a tetraploid VFT in TC. I thought the exact same thing as you, in orchids we do it all the time so why not VFT's. Did a lot of reading into it and apparently it didn't work. I'll look up the paper a guy wrote on it. Really?! I've been cloud talking that for years with someone in town who does TC. I've always wondered why one of the big producers or breeders hasn't done that yet. Or at least why a polyploid hasn't popped up randomly in all of the millions upon millions of TC plants out there. Can you PM me the link to the paper? I'd love to read it. |
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Post by H2O on Jan 1, 2016 13:49:29 GMT -5
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Post by H2O on Jan 26, 2016 23:06:09 GMT -5
ApoplastDid you see this link yet? Just saw another comment mentioning this topic. Still trying to find the other papers.
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Post by Apoplast on Jan 27, 2016 11:12:52 GMT -5
Hi H2O - Thanks for pointing that out! I hadn't seen it. Looks like 5100ppm will work for VFT. Interesting! I'm going to have to talk to my friend who does TC. This could be cool! Thanks again! |
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Post by H2O on Feb 2, 2016 1:24:16 GMT -5
I also wanted to mention that I got my prizes from the 2015 contest and it is so epic! Can't wait to show it off one day.
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Post by partisangardener on Feb 8, 2016 4:46:22 GMT -5
@amanitavirosa your Crocus is just another family which contains no colchicines (which causes cancer too).
The obvious difference is Colchicum has tulip like leafs which appear in spring, while it flowers in autumn.
Crocus what you have has, thin hard grass like leafs which usually appear with or short after the flower.
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Post by Devon on Feb 8, 2016 20:37:22 GMT -5
Most plants are diploid-2 sets of chromosomes. Colchicine is a chemical (from Crocus bulbs) that prevents the chromosomes from separating into the two new cells during (non-sexual) cell division. Thus one cell gets all the chromosomes and so is tetraploid-4 sets of chromosomes. Tetraploid plants are usually much bigger. Thereby producing giant mutated VFT's that will rampage around the neighbourhood eating giant inflatable Santa's, etc. I want to do this with my 'dew hybrid to make it fertile. The challenge is finding a source and doing it legally and safely. . . I think it's illegal without a permit, right? |
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Post by H2O on Feb 8, 2016 21:08:58 GMT -5
As far as I am aware it's totally legal but the chemical is extremely dangerous and should never be handled outside a fully equipped lab with proper flow hoods and of course training. Might be able to pay someone to do it for you. I wish someone would do this with some of the temperate Drosera so we could get some nice cold hardy hybrids.
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