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Post by markym4rk on Jun 10, 2008 19:29:02 GMT -5
Hi Does anyone know how to tell if their plant is a true b52? Perhaps your provider just hussled you into thinking it is a b52 but instead you purchased a Big Mouth.  Reassurances? or advice? |
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Post by sdeering on Jun 10, 2008 21:48:55 GMT -5
I have both. The B52 from Rick looks like the real thing. Larger traps than the bigmouth. Actually has the biggest out of all my VFTs. The big mouth has a deaper red trap and not quite as big. My big mouth is from Cooks.
Where did you get your big mouth?
Stephen
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Post by markym4rk on Jun 10, 2008 23:22:25 GMT -5
Good question sdeering, I'll have to go find out who my provider is.
Thx heaps!
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Post by sdeering on Jun 11, 2008 1:17:15 GMT -5
Did you get it at Elersellie gift and garden in Edmonton?
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Post by markym4rk on Jun 11, 2008 6:26:50 GMT -5
LoL
Yes I did. The lady who runs the CPs there told me she got her b52 cultivar from another supplier. She usually gets her shipments from Kheens Carnivores. Any ideas to whom her new supplier might be? I'll probly just give her a call tomorrow and find out.
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Post by sdeering on Jun 11, 2008 13:04:50 GMT -5
Me. I just dropped of a bunch more and some P.cyclosecta in flower if you are in need.
Stephen
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Post by keehno on Jun 11, 2008 14:43:42 GMT -5
Hi Does anyone know how to tell if their plant is a true b52? Perhaps your provider just hussled you into thinking it is a b52 but instead you purchased a Big Mouth. Reassurances? or advice? Is Ellerslie calling their VFT's B52's? |
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Post by sdeering on Jun 11, 2008 15:54:57 GMT -5
I was there yesterday and picked up one marked red form by you. I didn't see any marked or looking like B52. What is the Red form? I did get a B52 from them last year it was marked with your tags.
Stephen
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Post by keehno on Jun 11, 2008 16:52:02 GMT -5
Hey Stephen  The red form are a mix of anything I have excess of out in the greenhouse. The retail nurseries don't care about cultivars as long as the plants are red so I went with a standard red form label to prevent any mix-ups with cultivars. Ellerslie hasn't got any B52's from me yet this year thus my concern if stores are starting to name any old plant "B52". I didn't think you could have any ready yet if you were TC'ing them from that trade we did last year so was wondering. Btw, thanks for the explanation/description on the difference between the BM and B52. I just took some shots out in the greenhouse to give folks an idea. Thanks to you and the Big mouth culture you supplied I have a great comparison of both forms of VFT that were taken out of culture at the same time and have been grown under the exact same conditions. Although the Big Mouth is a slower grower I think it will be a great nursery plant because it won't be such a pain in the ass to get a dome over. B52 on left, Big Mouth on right. For scale, the pots are our standard 85mm dia. size.  |
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Post by carnivoure12 on Jun 11, 2008 17:50:11 GMT -5
I have sen this case before, I don't think that nursery would calling their plants B-52's to scam anyone, rather they are mistaken, low knowledge of species of CP's has caused mix ups with Sarracenias, which I witnessed before they were being called cobra plants. Lack of knowldge might be another reason why.
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Post by sdeering on Jun 11, 2008 22:22:35 GMT -5
So I take it is ether a green or red dragon? No, TC, I had 1 B52 get a little bit of shock and did the big spit thing it turned into about 6 plants so I haven't the need to TC it.
Stephen
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Post by keehno on Jun 11, 2008 23:56:40 GMT -5
So I take it is ether a green or red dragon? No, TC, I had 1 B52 get a little bit of shock and did the big spit thing it turned into about 6 plants so I haven't the need to TC it. Stephen There are some Red&Green Dragons but a lot are from seed from Triffid Nurseries that I started in culture too. There's a mix of Royal Red, Volcanic Red, Ruby Red, Giant Red, Akai Ryu and a host of other names Andy thought up for his red crosses, I was a pretty good customer of Andys up until the last couple of batches of non-productive seed he sent me. Of course because the VFT's are from seed they don't qualify for my cultivar labels which makes the "Red Form" label a pretty handy one to have.  |
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Post by sdeering on Jun 12, 2008 0:08:18 GMT -5
OK thanks.
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Post by markym4rk on Jun 12, 2008 7:26:29 GMT -5
Hey Stephen The red form are a mix of anything I have excess of out in the greenhouse. The retail nurseries don't care about cultivars as long as the plants are red so I went with a standard red form label to prevent any mix-ups with cultivars. Ellerslie hasn't got any B52's from me yet this year thus my concern if stores are starting to name any old plant "B52". I didn't think you could have any ready yet if you were TC'ing them from that trade we did last year so was wondering. Btw, thanks for the explanation/description on the difference between the BM and B52. I just took some shots out in the greenhouse to give folks an idea. Thanks to you and the Big mouth culture you supplied I have a great comparison of both forms of VFT that were taken out of culture at the same time and have been grown under the exact same conditions. Although the Big Mouth is a slower grower I think it will be a great nursery plant because it won't be such a pain in the ass to get a dome over. B52 on left, Big Mouth on right. For scale, the pots are our standard 85mm dia. size. Small world sdeering, so it wuz you all along. Then the green b52s were from stephen and the red mixed ones from Kheen's. By the way, the lady from ellerslie who sold the b52 to me wasn't too happy about the red mixed ones and does care about cultivars. Sdeering, I believe the Big Mouth Red I got from ellerslie is actually from kheens. It came from the first order from kheens and it wuz quite large and both me and the lady were quite impressed. Thx again for the help. Cheers Mark |
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Post by keehno on Jun 12, 2008 8:23:56 GMT -5
Now I'm really confused Mark All through the thread it was determined that they don't have B52's to sell? Why do you continue to call them B52's ? The first consideration in caring about cultivars should be in showing due diligence with the registered varieties names and not by haphazardly calling anything you think looks like a B52 or a Big Mouth by that registered name (there is no such thing as a Big Mouth Red). www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq3920.htmlwww.sarracenia.com/faq/faq2100.htmlThat being said, the whole idea of Dionaea cultivars is being brought into question anyways: icps.proboards105.com/index.cgi?board=naming&action=display&thread=60As for the Reds, the same type of plants went out on both the Ellerslie orders. The difference you noted on the Reds was from the seasonal stages of VFT growth where early spring and late fall traps have short leaves with plants at 18 hour photoperiod summer conditions extending their traps with a longer leaf. You should see the plants we don't ship during this time of year because they don't fit under the domes at all, they're just too tall. To further educate yourself you might want to read this: www.sarracenia.com:80/faq/faq2200.htmlThanks for the comment carnivoure12, you have a very good point. |
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