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Post by Sawchuk on Sept 1, 2007 14:36:52 GMT -5
so youve planted the seed butch credits due obviously you broughtin some tips n tricks which some of will exsperiment with including me, iv read soemwere else on the forum that the loose, free draining soil media that allows good gas exchange is the key to any cultivation, although harder to maintain
about lighitng iv never worried as i use the sun to grow aswell as weak 80z warm, cool to get the right photoperiod i dont think that they really supply any ussable light as there a foot away from plants just allow me to see the plants when suns hiding or in the latter hour
about the biocontrols, i dont think ill jump in as i do wiht all my other obssesions but its somethin i will find my self self studying in the later hours,i have many other factors i still have to work on before i would love to make a cocktail as you have that could be used on all plants, i dont know enough to say that your cephs are growing extremly well but im amazed by what you got in that short amount of time, and if you say its the voodoo then im in, it makes sense when you think about it, you teachers just cant turn it off eh lol as long as its what you love then no worrys eh, butch YOUR ON FIRE carry on teach, you obviously know what your doin
and about what works for one may not work for another, i havent takin that for granitid, im sure that this level of exsperiance isent just handed down Sid
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Post by lloyd on Sept 1, 2007 16:09:48 GMT -5
I tried some Rootshield on the CP's yesterday. Looks like dirty water.
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Post by briar on Sept 1, 2007 20:19:27 GMT -5
LOL, ahhhh extremely is relative Sawchuk... let's say extremely compared to everything else I have tried I once was told that "the best soil mixes hold air like a balloon, absorb water like a sponge, and drain like a sieve" Lloyd, kind of off topic but here is a pic of a newly arrived heli of mine soaking in some ampac trichoderma and superthrive.. I was performing emergency first aid the postal clerk had left the box hanging (bagged) on my mailbox at the side of the road, it had been sitting in the sun for hours at 90+ degrees F, she was definitely hot when I unboxed it. I just knew there was no real chance of survival. the ampac looks like beef broth to me hmmm heli au jus few days later... recent image ( I have cut away all but one of the original damaged pitchers) that is a H. pulchella (sp?) in the small pot Cheers' Butch
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Post by lloyd on Sept 2, 2007 8:07:07 GMT -5
That looks like some baby bok choy I had at a Chinese restaurant on Friday. Good results.
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Post by vraev on Sept 2, 2007 11:47:58 GMT -5
wow dude. I love that heli. Its shape is perfect of the pictures i have seen of the plant. Nice find considering it alreaady came with adult pitchers. Soo true about the soil mixes thingy. my VFT's are suffering now due to issues regarding soil mix.
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Post by briar on Sept 17, 2007 11:20:11 GMT -5
correction: AmPac Biotech does ship to some areas in Canada.. I was talking with them the other day and inquired about it webpage: www.ampacbiotech.netTheir granular is my personal favorite, ask for/email Kelly... it is use to not be listed on the webpage and no, I do not work for them LOL, but FWIW I do believe in their products
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Post by vraev on Sept 17, 2007 21:06:50 GMT -5
Hi Briar, thanks for the link dude. But, do they have a powder form? I can onlhy see a liquid. Is the granules the "Flowable concentrate"? I will have to consider a source of trich for myself as I do certainly need a mass source for myself sometime soon. SO thanks for the link buddy.
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Post by lloyd on Sept 17, 2007 23:07:52 GMT -5
Vraev, remember Sdeering has the Root Shield for a reasonable price. I bought some from him. If anybody is ordering Ampac from the USA let me know. I might try some.
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Post by vraev on Sept 18, 2007 1:03:55 GMT -5
yeah..I actually got some from Tom along with some potting material for my soon to come nep. BTW... macro finally replied. Apparently the talang already has pitchers. Yeah....I am seriously thinking about my own supply of rootshield but, first, I rather use the one that Tom is sending and see the general health and then make the move depending on my plant collection size at that time. But yeah, I agree... its better that we chip in and get a single thing and share and in that way we can all get enough and pay reasonably.
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Post by briar on Sept 18, 2007 6:54:32 GMT -5
V,
the "flowable" is a powder that is usually mixed with water... if I have a particular trouble spot I will put a little powder in a straw and blow it onto the trouble area... its an easy way to get into the tight areas of a ceph clump... just dont hiccup, could be a painful death LOL
the granular probably isnt listed on the webpage, just email or call and ask for kelly
Lloyd, personally I use both... plus some "Sub Culture"
but their granular is a trich blended with a food source (i believe)for the trich, I like mixing it in with the soil mix... it is a long term application (relative) instead of a drench
looks like little brown beads
HTH's Butch
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Post by tom on Sept 18, 2007 8:20:38 GMT -5
Note though that the drench can be used to dip the plant/root upon planting. Once the fungus is settled, there isn't much problem about him getting 'flowed out' i think.
But as a eternal skeptical, i not sure about the effectiveness of subculture. First, i dont think it has been evaluated in Canada, and as for its effective side, i think all those things in it are beneficials in your plants, but you'll have pretty much a lot of competition upon settling and some of them can be lost in that. So if you're particularly aiming for the Trichoderma effect but it has been wiped out by , let's say, B. subtilis, you'll have beneficial microorganisms in oyur substrate, but perhaps not with all the effects expected... Just my 2 cents, not much with data though...
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Post by briar on Sept 18, 2007 9:36:50 GMT -5
Tom,
good point, I agree... and in my simplistic way of thinking this competition is exactly what I want... if i have a whole bunch of beneficial organisms battling it out... then which ever one/s reacts best to any pathogens present will be the winner/s...
I did ask around a couple years ago about the effects of bacillus on trichoderma... and everyone I asked at that time said they were compatable... but this is getting way deeper then my expertise... I am definitely not a microbiologist
I only know what gave me the best results from about 4 or 5 years of trial and error... but to be honest if I got great results from my cephs every time I used a green pot... i would use green pots LOL
but I have personally saved a ceph from botrytis with ampac's products... and after developing my current techs (knock on wood) I have not lost a single ceph
Butch
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Post by true424 on Sept 18, 2007 21:32:26 GMT -5
Tom you are totally correct on the flowable being a wonderful drench and also on the symbiotic relationship between certian Trichodermas and plant roots. What I think you are missing though is the virulence of Trichoderma atroviride. The plants prefer the Trichoderma's relationship versus the other beneficals or pathogens. Trichoderma will not only protect the roots but overcome intruding soil organisms, including beneficals, either by competion or exclusion. I am personally a newbie with CP's( but I do love my Sarr's) but I do know what Trich's will do on other plants. thanks so much for letting me express my thoughts.
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Post by tom on Sept 19, 2007 7:17:04 GMT -5
Thanks for this comments True424, it answers partially to my question . Btw, Welcome aboard!
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Post by briar on Sept 19, 2007 9:19:16 GMT -5
just in case it isnt obvious enough, I asked kelly from ampac to visit and respond to Tom's questions,
true424 = kelly @ AmPac Biotech
thanks kelly, Butch
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