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Post by WillyCKH on Aug 30, 2017 14:03:58 GMT -5
Hello all! If we are to have a CPSC Seedbank for members to trade seeds and contribute funding our community... What will be some features or rules that you would like to see? I have the basic structure in mind, which is similar to ICPS seedbank, with a few differences. For example, I recall that a member suggested that on the back of the seeds packet, it should show whom donated the seeds. I would like to gather more ideas and thoughts here Cheers, Willy
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Post by Ray on Aug 30, 2017 18:11:37 GMT -5
There should be more than donation section etc. sub sections with different rules. for example Starter CP Seed Donation, where anyone could ask for a pack without prior donation. to get more people into CPs Regular CP Seed Donation, either a nominal donation to the forum's maintenance or just a certain amount of seed donations Also please WE DO NEED a thread or a standard that shows people how to package seeds...oh the horror of opening a pack of seeds and seeing some blow away... I personally love the square paper method. Additionally wont it be cool to have a live current inventory to look at? even more additionally I guess multiple donation sites might have to happen since you dont want someone donating from BC to ON then someone ordering from BC wanting the seeds in the ontario bank. (2 banks should be enough I guess) *100 post mark* Yah
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Post by WillyCKH on Aug 30, 2017 18:33:28 GMT -5
Thank you for your ideas! It is a good idea to categorize the level of difficulties of each seed packet. Much like ICPS Seedbank, a certain rarer items will have to be unlocked with donation credits only, while the majority of the donated seeds will be available for purchase without any donation requirement. Donation credits can be used to exchange for non-rare items as well. I can't agree more with you, I hate to lose seeds or have some stuck on evil tape when opening the packets.This is how I pack seeds, for reference:It would be great to have a dedicated page for the current available seed packets! While postage is the same within Canada, and reasonably cheap, there is no need for multiple storage sites. It only make things more complex than it should be. For example if I am to run it, donating seeds will be mailed to me for credits and storage.
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Post by amanitovirosa on Aug 30, 2017 19:58:05 GMT -5
...this is good! I cannot help in any other way, due to time constraints, other than donate seeds, which I would be more than happy to do.
AV.
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Post by WillyCKH on Aug 30, 2017 20:18:38 GMT -5
Hi AV! That would be more than plenty of help!
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Post by Samskwatch on Aug 30, 2017 21:48:34 GMT -5
Hi Willy,
I never participated to a seed bank so I would like to know what is your idea of a seed bank?
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Post by WillyCKH on Aug 30, 2017 22:27:06 GMT -5
Basically, members will see a list of available seeds packets that they can purchase or exchange with donation credit. The more you donate, the more seed packets you can exchange. The money from the purchases will go directly toward CPSC and possibly conservation for carnivorous plants in Canada.
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Post by shoggoths on Aug 31, 2017 8:17:30 GMT -5
Great idea Will. I'm in too for giving seeds. We could put the harvest date on the packet. The number of seeds per packet could perhaps be standardized or recommendations could be provided... I've often see on eBay packets of : 3 ceph seeds or 10 seeds D. capensis ... Number of seeds per packet for easy growing CPs should be enough to foster success for newbies. I propose 50+ seeds for easy drosera. At least 10+ seeds for others.
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Post by ep31 on Aug 31, 2017 8:26:12 GMT -5
It is a good idea to categorize the level of difficulties of each seed packet. Much like ICPS Seedbank, a certain rarer items will have to be unlocked with donation credits only, while the majority of the donated seeds will be available for purchase without any donation requirement. Donation credits can be used to exchange for non-rare items as well. In principle I'm all for this. How would the donation credit work? Is it based on the number of packets you donate? Will the rarity of the seeds that are donated be taken into account (ie you get more credits if you donate rarer seeds). In principle I think that people who donate rarer seeds should be compensated more but you get situations where you have people who can only donate common seeds and they can't build up enough credit to get rarer seeds so they can't grow rarer plants that would produce seeds that they could then donate - basically you get this vicious cycle of sorts. I guess people could always source their plants from another place and then donate them so maybe this isn't really a big deal. Also Willy, I still have no idea how you manage to fold those seeds in those tiny little pieces of paper. It's a miracle if you ask me Oh and yes, I think the name of the person donating the seeds should be included (if they want it to be) and the harvest date should be included.
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Post by shoggoths on Aug 31, 2017 8:53:50 GMT -5
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Post by WillyCKH on Aug 31, 2017 10:00:05 GMT -5
Yes, that's right. Different seeds will have different ratio for gaining the credit. While the ratio is still being determined at the moment, but an example for illustration purpose only would be: Member A donated 300 seeds from D. capensis and gained one donation credit. Member B donated 160 seeds from Pinguicula grandiflora and gained one donation credit. Member C donated 60 seeds from Cephalotus follicularis and gained two donation credit.Each donation credit would allow the members to exchange for any seed packets available, including rare items that are locked for exchange only. So I think it is very much possible to get something nice when you are only starting with common seeds. One healthy D. capensis, for example, could produce hundreds if not thousands of seeds! The key here is that, memebers will be encouraged to grow their plants with their best care, and to donate whatever they may have available. That's a good idea. There might not be enough space on the seeds packet itself but the date, at least the donation date, will be recorded for reference. Seeds older than 2 years should be discarded or given away, to ensure the viability of the seeds in the seed bank. Yep, that's how I make mine
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Post by Samskwatch on Aug 31, 2017 10:26:44 GMT -5
It is a good idea to categorize the level of difficulties of each seed packet. Much like ICPS Seedbank, a certain rarer items will have to be unlocked with donation credits only, while the majority of the donated seeds will be available for purchase without any donation requirement. Donation credits can be used to exchange for non-rare items as well. In principle I'm all for this. How would the donation credit work? Is it based on the number of packets you donate? Will the rarity of the seeds that are donated be taken into account (ie you get more credits if you donate rarer seeds). In principle I think that people who donate rarer seeds should be compensated more but you get situations where you have people who can only donate common seeds and they can't build up enough credit to get rarer seeds so they can't grow rarer plants that would produce seeds that they could then donate - basically you get this vicious cycle of sorts. I guess people could always source their plants from another place and then donate them so maybe this isn't really a big deal. Also Willy, I still have no idea how you manage to fold those seeds in those tiny little pieces of paper. It's a miracle if you ask me Oh and yes, I think the name of the person donating the seeds should be included (if they want it to be) and the harvest date should be included. I think it's fair that people giving rarer seeds are more rewarded than others. As you can buy seeds, this won't create any vicious circle. Also I think it's fair that certain seeds can only be bought with credits. Numbers of credit you get can be established by the numbers of seed packets already available through the seed bank and a rarity factor of the plant. Also, credits could be awarded to good customer of the seed bank. Which would promote the use of our seed bank system. Older seed should be put on sale or sowed by Willy for selling purpose of live plant if he consider it worth it. That money can finance his operation and be used to finance the new forum and CP conservation in the long run. Just throwing some ideas, let me know what you think.
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Post by WillyCKH on Aug 31, 2017 11:31:49 GMT -5
How would you define a good customer though? Do you mean something like any seed bank order over $50 would gain one credit? Most likely the expired seeds will be posted in the giveaway sections, for free or for any donation offer that goes directly to CPSC
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Post by Samskwatch on Aug 31, 2017 11:41:45 GMT -5
Any of the seed bank customer is a good customer in my opinion. Everyone should be given something for let's say 10$ they spend. You just want people getting seeds from the seed bank and coming back for more. You don't want the seeds to rot on the shelf lol!
Well that's just an idea. Getting seeds from the bank should be easy and fun.
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Post by WillyCKH on Aug 31, 2017 11:54:43 GMT -5
That's a good suggestion but I think reserving the rare items for donating members only would encourage more donating seeds. I'm sure members will be coming back for more as the seed bank grows to have new types of seeds available! Most CP seeds can last for at least 2 years so I wouldn't worry about the seeds rotting away at this moment.
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