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Post by jeff on Jan 31, 2017 6:03:58 GMT -5
Bonjour
do you grow these ping : vulgaris subsp vulgaris ,villosa,macroceras ?
jeff
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Post by lloyd on Jan 31, 2017 10:28:27 GMT -5
I had some outside, probably compost now.
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Post by kawarthapine on Feb 1, 2017 20:57:27 GMT -5
I'm going to try this year.
There are some on my cousin's property near Owen Sound on the Bruce Peninsula.
I figure they may be ph sensitive as they grow adjacent to a marly flat and wetland complex. I figure I cant hurt the population as he annually kills off dozens with his lawnmower and weedeater.
Any advice from successful growers would be appreciated!
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Post by jeff on Feb 4, 2017 3:11:13 GMT -5
Bonjour
do you know what specie , vulgaris subsp vulgaris I think ?
this specie is very easy to grow in peat bog all the times outside , but also in pot in a blond peat substrat , always in a wet condition .
actually here there are in hibernaculae with a lot of buds around the adult hibernaculae ,
jeff
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Post by kawarthapine on Feb 12, 2017 22:03:11 GMT -5
Bonjour do you know what specie , vulgaris subsp vulgaris I think ? this specie is very easy to grow in peat bog all the times outside , but also in pot in a blond peat substrat , always in a wet condition . actually here there are in hibernaculae with a lot of buds around the adult hibernaculae , jeff Jeff: I am certain it is Pinguicula vulgaris. The plant is common in some native wetland and riparian ecosystems across the Province of Ontario, and most other provinces if I recall correctly. From what I've learned, it favours calcareous (calcium rich areas), but there are exceptions to every rule. I came across them while flyfishing many years ago, and then while searching for orchids (as the like similar growing conditions).
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Post by jeff on Feb 13, 2017 3:10:55 GMT -5
Bonjour
here in europe we find more often the vulgaris in acidic media, less often in calcareous media, but indeed it is said to be of indeterminate medium.
jeff
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Post by kawarthapine on Feb 14, 2017 22:27:24 GMT -5
Jeff:
I agree with your observations regarding soil ph/acidity.
It just turns out that the two locations where I have found the pings have slightly higher than avg ph and correspondingly lower acidity.
I suspect if I really searched hard I might find that more pings are in acidic locations with lower ph.
I tend to find most of my orchids by association. I look for a specific ecosystem type, then look for larger companion plants (ex trees, shrubs, grasses, sedges & forbs). I have never really sought out CPs before... Finding the pings last summer was by accident!
This Spring and Summer will be the first time I actually go searching for CPs. Perhaps I will have different observations if I am successful.
I cant wait to get my feet literraly and figuratively wet.
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Post by jeff on Feb 15, 2017 3:00:37 GMT -5
here in europe 'in situ' we have others species with this particularity , we have some one in acid area , others in a indeterminate medium ( acid or calcareous) and others in calcareous rupicol area .
here Person, on the west coast of canada ?
jeff
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Post by kawarthapine on Feb 15, 2017 15:20:04 GMT -5
Jeff:
I live in Peterborough, a small City, half way between Toronto and Ottawa.
The pings I have described are located on the Niagara Escarpment, a major geological feature, comprised largely of limestone that runs from Niagara Falls in the south to Manitoulin Island (on the norther shore of Lake Huron & Georgian Bay). Lake Huron is one of the five great lakes that straddle the border of the USA and Canada).
The location of the pings I have described is about 30 miles south of Owen Sound, a medium sized town about three hours west of my home.
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Post by jeff on Feb 16, 2017 3:02:50 GMT -5
OK .
I have some vulgaris subsp vulgaris from the US michigan state then I think it is the same area
jeff
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Post by Apoplast on Feb 16, 2017 10:24:07 GMT -5
Hi Jeff - I've been fortunate enough to see P. vulgaris in the arctic (Alaska and Iceland - with Iceland having my favorite spot where it grew on sand dunes on the beach, which is not where you expect to find CP!), and around the Great Lakes. The Great Lakes population is interesting, because the plants don't typically grow in peat, but can grow clinging to rocks where wave can look like this. The Great Lakes population is also geographically separated from the rest of the range in North America. I suspect the population along the shores of the Great Lakes is rather unique. I'd love to get someone to do some research on it, because I don't have the time myself. Even if the plants from the arctic don't look much different than the Great Lakes plants, they certainly live in very different environments! I'm hoping to get some cast off seed from a research project from a population know to survive wave and ice action in Minnesota. We only have 6 sites left, so it's rare seed and requires permitting. Still, it's interesting enough that I'll gladly do the paperwork.
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Post by jeff on Feb 17, 2017 3:51:48 GMT -5
Bonjour APOPLAST have you a picture to these P.vulgaris on the beach , no problem for them with the salt ? here in france we have 4 populations of P.vulgaris - one bicolor (P.vulgaris subsp vulgaris f bicolor ) - one with globose seed's caps in plain ( P.vulgaris subsp vulgaris var globosa) - one to o m to 1200m with little corolla( P.vulgaris subsp vulgaris) - one to 1200 m and more in mountain with a corolla more great to the type ( P.vulgaris subsp vulgaris var alpicola) in italia 3 others may be more with the new species see here all the european ping fern72.free.fr/siteweb/giemor.html clic on the name to have a lot of infos ( and after on the others index) now in france the vulgaris population with the Climate warming, is practically no longer present in plain, it is on the other hand fairly present still in mountain for me no vulgaris in turkey but P.balcanica subsp pontica jeff
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Post by Apoplast on Feb 18, 2017 14:13:54 GMT -5
Bonjour Jeff - Certainly the that map is not perfect. For starters it is old, so taxa which have been split from P. vulgaris recently might be represented on the map. My Swedish is not very good, but if I recall correctly from this site, the maps are drawn from herbarium specimens, so there are likely to be populations that were missed. Still, I feel it's one of the better species maps for vulgaris. The gap in Ontario is unlikely to be because of large sampling error, so I do suspect that the gap in the range between the Great Lakes and arctic Ontario is real (unless someone finds some in between). I do have photos of the P. vulgaris on on the coastal dunes in Iceland. They are in a post on the ICPS forum. The photo makes them look as if they are quite far from the ocean, but this was because I wanted to small plants in the same photo as the ocean. They are surrounded by dune grasses, and I assure you the sand tasted quite salty there. It was very surprising!
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Post by jeff on Feb 19, 2017 3:06:23 GMT -5
Bonjour
In fact very surprising these ping vulgaris so close to the ocean and in sand.
no seeds to these species ?
for the map see to 'habitat' and 'carte chorologique' you have the P.vulgaris area in FRANCE-SUISSE-ITALIE-ESPAGNE-USA , I was not interested in the others area, where it is present .
jeff
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Post by Apoplast on Feb 19, 2017 14:27:44 GMT -5
Bonjour Jeff - No, no seeds from that population. I was there when they were flowering, so too early for seeds. Plus, though I had paperwork to import to the United States, I didn't have an export permissions from Iceland. Unfortunately, it will probably be a long time until I can get back there. The location is quite far from either of the larger cities (Reykjavík or Akureyri), hours of driving time. That area of Iceland has something like 300 inhabitants. It is fairly remote. But, if I do end up back getting to go back there (and I would love to!) I'll be sure to try to get papers to collect. As I said, it was the only beach I have ever seen carnivorous plants on, and the only one with P. vulgaris I cam across is Iceland. But for now, they remain in memories and photos only.
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