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Post by kiwipete on Nov 19, 2016 16:40:04 GMT -5
Does any one have and idea what this Ping may be ? KP.
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Post by kawarthapine on Nov 20, 2016 23:36:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure as there is so much subtle variation amongst cultivars.
I suggest you check out pinguicula.org
It is an excellent web site with detailed info on almost every species, incl cultutal info, maps and photos of plants and flowers.
Hope this helps.
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Post by jeff on Jan 31, 2017 6:13:21 GMT -5
Bonjour
and the roset ?
big or little , may be a picture ?
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Post by kawarthapine on Feb 5, 2017 23:11:42 GMT -5
I'm not very good at keying out plants without seeing the rosette (as Jeff mentioned).
Can you confirm whether the plant is tropical or temperate?
What I really need and plan on ordering shortly are the new ping books (Vol 1 & 2) for sale through the Redfern Natural History bookstore.
Guess #1: Without any other info I could take a wild guess and suggest it might be the hybrid, 'John Rizzi', but the colour of your plant seems too purple for that hybrid and unfortunately the parent species of John Rizzi are not known as it was pollinated by hummingbirds at California Carnivours greenhouse (as the story goes). From what I have learned, most John Rizzi's have flowers with pink/coral coloured tones and not purple, so I am probably wrong.
Guess # 2: P. 'Tina' (agnata x zecheri). Colour is a perfect match, but form is not quite identical to my plant's flowers.
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Post by jeff on Feb 6, 2017 5:37:56 GMT -5
for me it is a mexican or an hybrid of mexican , no temperate with this flower . it is not a 'Tina' not also the real 'John Rizzi ' may be a ehlersiae , a hemiephytica or a hybrids with these parent , may be others thing also , the rosett could help us a nice web site for the determination linkjeff
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Post by kawarthapine on Feb 7, 2017 14:42:53 GMT -5
for me it is a mexican or an hybrid of mexican , no temperate with this flower . it is not a 'Tina' not also the real 'John Rizzi ' may be a ehlersiae , a hemiephytica or a hybrids with these parent , may be others thing also , the rosett could help us a nice web site for the determination linkjeff Jeff: I agree, both guesses were far from a perfect match. I've posted a pick of one of my Tina's (agnata x zecheri), flower on right). The plant on left is an Aphrodite ( agnata x moctezumae).
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Post by kawarthapine on Feb 9, 2017 17:13:31 GMT -5
Jeff: I dont think it can be ehlersiae as the flower lobes are too round. I also don't think it can be hemiepiphytica as the flower lobes are too angular and spaced apart. I would like suggest you take a look at a plant that can be found under the names Pinguicula Ayautla or as Pinguicula moranensis 'Ayautla'. Ive attached a pic of this plant's flower for consideration:
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Post by jeff on Feb 10, 2017 2:58:58 GMT -5
see here a lot of hemiepiphytica picture linkThere is nevertheless some resemblance ,at the level of the throat patterns and the shape of the lower central lobe. Now it may be a hybrid with as hemiepiphytica parent ? for me the title "Ayautla" is synonymous with gigantea the rosett could help us
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Post by kawarthapine on Feb 10, 2017 13:34:25 GMT -5
I agree.
A picture of the rosette would really help.
Without more info my conclusion is it must be a hybrid.
Jeff: Your suggestion regarding the plant being part hemiepiphytica makes a lot of sense. Perhaps moranensis Ayautla is the other parent, but I may be wrong. It is also quite possible the flower kiwipete posted is made up of more than two species. There are tons of unknown hybrids flooding retail markets and private collections, so anything is possible. Then again, I make plant I.D. mistakes as often as I am right!
I guess we will never know unless we have more information from the thread originator.
O.K kiwipete: The proverbial 'ball' is back in your court. Please throw us a bone and post a pick of the rosette if you can.
In any event, this was a fun horticultural exercise.
Many thanks!
PS: any other OCPS members want to take a stab at solving the Great Ping mystery?
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Post by kawarthapine on Feb 15, 2017 23:12:37 GMT -5
O.K. My final supposition ...
I'm feeling pretty stupid, but I don't have one in my collection, nor have I every seen one in person, but I think the flower submitted by kiwipete is in fact a pinguicula ehlersiae.
At first I overlooked this species as the throat of ehlersiae is often light green to pale yellow, but I have found some other photos of this species where this colouration is lacking and is replaced by cream to white colouration (perhaps diluted through tissue propagation, inbreeding?). Could this be the case with your flower?
kiwipete: Have I again missed the mark or did I get it right this time?
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Post by jeff on Feb 16, 2017 3:07:36 GMT -5
We await the image of the rosette
jeff
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Post by kawarthapine on Feb 16, 2017 17:20:38 GMT -5
Agreed.
I started wondering again and added jaumavensis to my 'short list' of possible plants.
Experts such as DVG, Cole, Willy and several others are welcome to 'pipe in'.
The only way to be sure is to key out the plant using botanical classification.
As an aside, Not sure what is up w kiwipete. Hopefully he ok. I strated to wonder/worry after hearing some parts of New Zealand have been severely affected by wildfires. Hopefully it is just work or family and nothing serious.
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Post by lloyd on Feb 16, 2017 20:37:43 GMT -5
Kiwipete is on the North Island and the fires are on the south Island.
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Post by jeff on Feb 17, 2017 3:24:49 GMT -5
Bonjour
Nothing to do with a jaumavensis , see the throat.
In the identification of ping, drawings in the throat are very important, in europe, on the temperate therefore, it is even a key point ,On Mexican is also often the case
jeff
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Post by kawarthapine on Feb 17, 2017 22:25:37 GMT -5
Jeff: Thanks. I have a lot to learn. I found the link to the AIPC special edition on Mexican pings (thank you for posting Hal). It has been very helpful, but I need better hardcopy resources. The link to the AIPC article is noted below. www.aipcnet.eu/Carnivorous_docs/AIPC_Special_Issue_3.pdfLloyd: thanks for the geographic clarification. Glad to hear kiwipete is far from the fire zone.
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