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Post by limonov on Aug 7, 2014 17:37:32 GMT -5
Hi guys im going to the States in about 1 week and would like to bring back some cp. If i bring back some and they caught mee what will be the consequence ?
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Post by paulkoop on Aug 7, 2014 17:38:24 GMT -5
Fines and burning of the plants
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Post by limonov on Aug 7, 2014 17:44:53 GMT -5
Ahhhh :/ and the fines cost how mutch ?
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Post by ng on Aug 7, 2014 17:56:29 GMT -5
Just phone the local plant control people. If you want to do it legally you have to; 1. Contact the regional government plant control ppl state side. Get them to send you the exporting paperwork you will be required to fill out. Fill it out, send it in. They require exact numbers/species type of substrate. Location of origin and destination. 2. They put you into the 'system' and take your credit card info. This pays for the phytosanitary permit and the officers time. The 'officer' is the guy they pay to drive to wherever your plants to be inspected. You have to accommodate for his time and the price of the permit. I think you can also have them taken in for inspection if you dont want to pay for the service. 3. You have 14 days from when the phyto is validated until it expires. 4. Drive em back. They are considered houseplants unless covered under cites you dont need importing permits on our side. Im heading to Oregon at the start of Sept with a pile of stuff coming and going. A bit of work but itll be worth it. Hope this helps... Nol
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Post by H2O on Aug 7, 2014 18:06:56 GMT -5
Nol said everyone perfectly about getting them legally.
I would never do it the illegal way. I would like to be able to continue to collect plants long into the future and getting caught once can really screw you over. They may flag you as a person of interest and every time you go over the boarder they'll search you. My job also includes importing paperwork every week, the last thing I need is problems with the permits because I didn't want to go the legal route.
This all being said people do it all the time and don't get caught, if you do bring stuff back you better make sure it is plants that aren't in Canada, otherwise you're risking too much.
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Post by limonov on Aug 7, 2014 18:11:54 GMT -5
If im buying from a nurserie can they send mee the phytosanitary permit ? And most of the plants im going to order are some sarracenia so i guess i'l need a import permit ?
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Post by Dennis Z on Aug 7, 2014 18:16:07 GMT -5
I agree with H20, do it the legal way. It's much safer to do so and there is an ethical concept behind it as well. In spite of that, many people can do it and get away with it. I have a friend who somehow managed to bring plants from China back to Canada without permits.
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Post by shoggoths on Aug 7, 2014 18:18:07 GMT -5
I want to be sure to understand, this is for the US border part yes ? because if I remember we can legally import plants with us from the US without any permit if : they are household plants and they are with the traveling person right ?
If so, when you come back from the US, you only have canadian border to cross so why do we have to do all this ?
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Post by H2O on Aug 7, 2014 18:30:17 GMT -5
I was told by one of the Border Officers that runs the border here, that they know of the loophole and don't allow people to use that anymore. The section was for people actually bringing in houseplants with their household objects, not plants with novel traits. Some places might not know the difference but you would be walking a thin line. As well what Sarracenia are you looking for? You've never posted a looking for add? If you go through with this it better be something I don't have
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Post by limonov on Aug 7, 2014 18:34:41 GMT -5
Im not sure to understand your question shoggoths
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Post by ng on Aug 7, 2014 18:45:35 GMT -5
You dont need an importing permit unless being mailed or the plant is covered by cites. Just a phytosanitary when physically transporting over the border.
Lim , you would have to contact the nursery to arrange it or contact the federal government down there ahead of time with my above instructions to have them inspected and a phyto san issued.
I remember a couple of years ago I was trying to talk northwest sarracenia into having the paperwork done. They were having noooo part of it.
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Post by limonov on Aug 7, 2014 18:54:14 GMT -5
And h2o the sarracenia im planning to buy are
S. flava v. ornata "Bulloch Co, GA" x cuprea BH S.(alata x leucophylla ) x leah wilkson S.mitchelliana x alata and others sarracenia hybrid
and a drosera x hybrida
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Post by ng on Aug 7, 2014 19:28:13 GMT -5
They said this time of year the inspectors are in the slow season and can usually issue a phytosan within 48-72 hours of request. The phyto for Oregon was 75 $.
However you have to already be registered with the federal database which you must do ahead of time. If you are leaving for your trip in a week I would get on that track asap.
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Post by limonov on Aug 7, 2014 20:01:47 GMT -5
So if the nursery agree to give mee the phytosanitary i would still have to get the import permit because i think that all sarracenia that are not under the cite appendix 1 are under the appendix 2.
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Post by ng on Aug 7, 2014 20:06:32 GMT -5
If they are covered by CITES yes you WILL need an importing permit. There is about a 0 % chance that would happen with such short notice because our side takes 3-5 weeks to proccess/issue the permit. Also the permit has to be issued and sent with the phytosanitary request to the US feds. I would check, cifa has a plant checker you can access to see if permits are required. There's only a small handful that are restricted, I dont think any of the ones you listed are on it. You shooould be ok. The cifa is pretty good with returning emails if you have specofic questions. Sorry to take the wind out of your sails.
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