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Post by hpulley on Dec 13, 2005 7:52:08 GMT -5
Anyone else wintering outdoor S. purpurea? I've got a plant outside this year, I hope it makes it. The leaves went nice and purple, then kind of brown but it rained in the fall and then got cold so the pitchers have ice in them! This must happen in the wild but unlike the D. rotundifolia with it's obvious hibernaculae, the Sarrs don't look as prepared for winter.
Harry
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Post by zac on Dec 13, 2005 8:00:14 GMT -5
Mine are only small this year so I'm wintering them inside but I have 4 that will be making the move to the great outdoors next year.
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Post by Syble on Dec 13, 2005 9:54:47 GMT -5
which purpurea do you have? only purpurea ssp. purpurea is native here, venosa might be able to make it but will need some protection. I bring my plants in to the barn for the new year, they are currently in a 3' snow drift somewhere. Sib  |
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Post by hpulley on Dec 13, 2005 10:34:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure exactly what species, unfortunately. I've tried to identify it properly. I'm guessing venosa but it might just be purpurea. Like my rotundifolia, if kept outside it goes very red/purple from the sun but in the house it is green with red veins mostly since it doesn't get as much sun, even in the best window. It was from a local greenhouse where everything is mislabled, both the Scarlet Belle and the purpurea are labeled as "cobra plants", but of course they aren't really Cobra Lillies. I wanted to get some from www.grow-wild.com/ but they only had seedlings this year. Like yours, mine is covered with snow right now and is sheltered from the wind. If the current -20C temperatures haven't killed it then it should survive the rest of the winter but I wonder if it would do better in the shed? The garage is another possibility; it isn't heated but gets some waste heat from the house -- I just think it might not be cold enough for a good hibernation. Last year I put it in a very cold window spot but it didn't really hibernate and I don't want to burn it out by having it grow all year around. Just a $10 plant so while I really hope it makes it, I guess this will be an experiment. Will get some more from grow-wild if necessary. Harry |
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Post by Syble on Dec 13, 2005 12:01:21 GMT -5
if it had the same packageing as the scarlet bells, which is a picture of a cobra sitting in a plant with a few leaves stuck to it, I'm betting they come from colisanties. In which case it is venosa. Believe me when I say it isn't hardy! be careful what you decide to do with it. Also last time I talked to colisanties, they were no longer producing it, so unless your garden center has a good stock of them, it won't be so easy to replace. Just something to think about. Sib |
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Post by hpulley on Dec 13, 2005 12:13:59 GMT -5
Hmm, then perhaps I should slowly bring it back in from the cold... I don't want to do it too quickly. It is supposed to come up to around freezing this weekend. I will bring it into the garage at that time where it is above freezing and I'll see if it will thaw out OK. May not.
Thanks. Hopefully it is not too late for it... shoot.
Harry
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Post by hpulley on Dec 13, 2005 12:20:55 GMT -5
It's just confusing, all the advice. From www.rarexoticseeds.com/Carnivore/Graines_Sarracenia_Purpurea_Venosa_Seeds.html : "Hardiness zones 7-8, (-10°C/15°F, -15°C/5°F) in Winter. They should be grown in bright light, but with protection from full midday sun, the temperature must be around 21°C/70°F, 27°C/80°F. In cloudy coastal areas, artificial light is a must. Sarracenia Purpurea Venosa requires seasons in order to survive long term. They need a dormant period of about 3 months in the Winter. The typical heated home is too warm in the Winter. The entire planter may be moved to an area where the temperature will be at least 2°C/35°F or lower. During the Winter months, restrict watering somewhat, but never allow the plants to dry completely. If left outside during Winter, protect them from dry freezing wind during deep freezes by covering the plant with black plastic. Uncover the plant when the deep freeze and dry freezing wind is over. Otherwise, place it in a refrigerator for 3-5 months in a ziplock bag." So the current temperatures are too low. I shouldn't leave it out all winter and hopefully this short stint at this low a temp won't have killed it. Normally at this time of year, -8C is the low, not -20!!! Kill and learn I guess. Harry |
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Post by hpulley on Dec 13, 2005 12:39:51 GMT -5
They live in New Jersey. It'll be 6F tonight which is around -15C and S. pupurea venosa lives there so who knows...
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Post by Syble on Dec 13, 2005 15:26:28 GMT -5
Its up to you with what you want to do. I neuked a whole minibog because their cycle was slightly off. on the other hand I have 3 minibog planters that have plants like minor okee giant and leucos that stayed out laste year untill the new year, then they stayed at my dads shop in unheated offices. If nothing else, record some of the temperatures and let us know in the spring if it sprouts or not? Sib |
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Post by hpulley on Dec 13, 2005 15:47:03 GMT -5
Already hit -20C which is below what that one site recommended. Thinking about moving it into the unheated garage for the rest of the winter which would make -20C the record. But now bringing it into the much warmer garage might mess it up now. Darned if I do and darned if I don't... I will let you know how it goes.
Harry
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Post by Syble on Dec 13, 2005 19:10:20 GMT -5
providing your not getting into the 50's it will still sleep be it -10 or 0 degrees Sib |
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Post by hpulley on Dec 13, 2005 23:55:32 GMT -5
Even though the garage is unheated I'm not sure if it is cold enough. Must put a thermometer in there to check. Another cold one outside tonight and haven't had a chance to move the venosa yet...
Harry
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Post by Syble on Dec 14, 2005 9:13:21 GMT -5
I kept my sarracenia planters in my dads shop last year, it wasn't anywhere near freezing, mu guess is around 8-10 C never put a thermometer in there. All plants did well, even got my first sarracenia flowers! There was everthing in those planters, something from each species. This year they are going in the front half of the barn. it will be a bit cooler, closer to freezing this year, it should be good for them providing I can keep the chickens out! Sib |
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Post by mabudon on Dec 16, 2005 8:59:50 GMT -5
I live in St.Catharines (near Niagara Falls) and successfully wintered S.flava outside under a stack of pine needles last winter, and it was darn cold- I am trying a bunch of other stuff this winter, so I will keep you all posted
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Post by hpulley on Dec 17, 2005 11:19:11 GMT -5
Well, I bought my S. purpurea venosa into the garage today since it is warming up to -1. The garage is unheated except for waste heat from the house but I hope it is cold enough. They are right by the side door where there is some natural light and it is hopefully cold enough not to wake them up again.
They are covered in snow right now, good and dormant if they are not dead. Time will tell...
Harry
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