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Post by WillyCKH on Apr 3, 2017 19:53:28 GMT -5
Hello everyone, This is just a thought of curiosity... I know it's illegal and bad to poach plants from bogs, how about doing the opposite? Is it illegal and bad to plant new plants (perhaps not plants originated in that area) in natural bogs? For example, planting S. oreo in local bogs? I'm not planning to do that, just curious what you guys think Willy
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Post by danyoh on Apr 3, 2017 20:10:30 GMT -5
It would be best to contact the local wildlife conservation authority since there may be people that may monitor/research the area. There may even be a volunteering opportunity if they have some sort of vegetation restoration program.
Edit: You don't want to introduce something that can potentially be invasive and harm the other native plants or wildlife!
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Post by WillyCKH on Apr 3, 2017 20:25:54 GMT -5
That's true, I agree! I didn't mean planting the weedy plants, but something like the endangered ones.
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Post by danyoh on Apr 3, 2017 20:45:39 GMT -5
I'm no expert (only took some enviro sci courses in my undergrad) but I learned that there are many variables that cause an ecological invasion. There was even a case study about S. purpurea being introduced in Europe and a lot of trouble
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Post by jeff on Apr 4, 2017 5:26:53 GMT -5
Bonjour
In FRANCE it is illegal, but sometimes we keep old implants feet long ago as precisely S.purpurea subsp purpurea , but normally the protection authorities pull them. Currently we have an operation like that with P.hirtiflora that take over on P.reichenbachiana
For the reintroduction of extinct indigenous species, it is quite complicated, we must work with these same authorities and use plants of the old site preserved 'ex situ' and multiplied by 'in vitro'
jeff
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Post by stevebooth on Apr 4, 2017 7:43:05 GMT -5
Whilst i understand the sentiments contained within the post, the introduction of non native species can cause a lot of damage to local environs, even a the introduction of a Federal endangered species. So work on the basis that if it ain't there or wasn't historically there already, don't do it. Having said that we have daffodils, crocus, etc etc along with plenty of other non indigenous plants, not to mention a garden full of Sarracenia. Cheers Steve
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Post by lloyd on Apr 4, 2017 8:54:25 GMT -5
The best way to ensure biodiversity is to support ngo's like the ICPS or local conservation groups and to encourage your government to preserve the local species. As Steve says, plant in your own garden. It's impossible for most CP's to become invasive from an urban garden.
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Post by WillyCKH on Apr 4, 2017 10:18:45 GMT -5
Thanks guys! I've learned a lot from this.
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Post by ep31 on Apr 4, 2017 10:57:11 GMT -5
I think the ecosystems are so delicate/complex that unless you've really studied a particular area and really know the ins and outs of it, it's better not to try to introduce something. Even if the plant was originally there ages ago, there could still be all kinds of factors that could either affect its re-introduction or affect the whole system by re-introducing it.
That's just my take! I understand the temptation to do it. On the surface it sounds like a good idea, but I think there's just too many reasons NOT to do it.
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Post by WillyCKH on Apr 4, 2017 11:01:10 GMT -5
That's true. I think it is better to create a backyard bog, and volunteer at the authority to help restore plants with the professionals.
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Post by shoggoths on Apr 4, 2017 12:19:27 GMT -5
Just to add my two cents in simple terms. The extinct plants died for a reason. If someone bring them or other back, they could crossed with the remaining plants and produce hybrids not as strong (or stronger) as the existing plants. In the end, the project could end with the destruction of the current plants community I had a nice text about it but can't find it back I don't remember if it was in the ICPS or Redfern book, sorry. This one is not it but still good.
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Post by Apoplast on Apr 4, 2017 20:29:21 GMT -5
Hello Willy - Not to pile on, especially because there have been some very good comments made already. For a case study in what can happen please look up Albion Bog in Northern California. Yes introductions can be done. But it's best to leave it to professionals. It's like I tell people about collections, if you have to ask you aren't the person who should be doing it.
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Post by WillyCKH on Apr 4, 2017 22:34:39 GMT -5
Good reads! Thanks Alex I just had that thought when I was taking transit on my way home haha. Engineers love to think 'what ifs'.
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Post by shoggoths on Apr 5, 2017 7:36:04 GMT -5
I did it too
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