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Post by natchgreyes on Feb 1, 2016 15:26:57 GMT -5
Hey All - Over here in Zone 4B, I've been contemplating the species of plants that I'll be able to successfully grow in a bog garden outside year round. I recently learned about a nursery/private botanical garden in my sister state, Vermont, which has a bog garden and successfully grows P. grandiflora. Based on this, I assume that more European species would be able to be successfully grown in my area and I was curious to know if any of you grew any of those species and could identify a few that might work well. My thoughts are that the ones in the mountains of France and, possibly, Switzerland would work well. Any thoughts?
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Post by shoggoths on Feb 1, 2016 15:51:51 GMT -5
I grew P. corsica outside for a few years but they all died last summer. Can't really say why but I think it is because they were getting too much direct rain. They sit outside under the snow all winter long whithout other protection.
P. vallisneriifolia do not like temperature below 15 C so ...
I'm trying grandiflora and macroceras at the moment. They did form nice hybernicula last Autumn. I can't get my hands on vulgaris but they should be alright too.
Good luck.
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Post by natchgreyes on Feb 1, 2016 16:09:52 GMT -5
Nice! Yes, I have a small grandiflora and macroceras. Assuming both make it through winter, I may try them outside next year. I'm hoping to do an import from a European nursery sometime this year and figured that I'd grab a few different species.
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Post by H2O on Feb 2, 2016 1:08:27 GMT -5
I've had no problems with all the species I've grown but I also live in a climate suited for them. One thing I've learn over the last few years is that shade is better then full sun. I'm going to be moving all mine into much less light this year after seeing how well they grow in lower light.
The other thing I've heard (and can't confirm) is that high temperatures can be a problem for many of the European species, they're much more alpine species.
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Post by natchgreyes on Feb 2, 2016 8:23:17 GMT -5
I've had no problems with all the species I've grown but I also live in a climate suited for them. One thing I've learn over the last few years is that shade is better then full sun. I'm going to be moving all mine into much less light this year after seeing how well they grow in lower light. The other thing I've heard (and can't confirm) is that high temperatures can be a problem for many of the European species, they're much more alpine species. Yeah, at 2,000 feet elevation, I'm almost there, but not quite. I actually live quite close to one of the two P. vulgaris habitats in my state. Although I haven't visited the location due to the extreme difficulty of the climb (I have tried), I can tell you that the summer high temperatures are probably 5 - 10 degrees F cooler than outside my house. I think utilizing the shade and working with some kind of trickery like that, it may be possible to grow some of the alpine species.
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Post by Apoplast on Feb 2, 2016 15:16:43 GMT -5
Bonjour Shogg - Merci pour l'information! Knowing I can leave some of the temperate pings outside through the winter without an protection make them far more appealing. The last thing I need are more plants like Sarrs that I need to "get through the winter" here (I also don't need more plants in general, but that is another topic). Now I just need to find a source for a source for P. alpina I have a shot a growing.
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Post by shoggoths on Feb 2, 2016 15:37:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I tried alpina two years ago but it didn't get through winter I think it is harder than the one I mentionne. Like you I already have a lot of plants. Enough to do some test. This year, I let some of my sarr outside under a straw bale. I'm looking forward for Spring !
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Post by Apoplast on Feb 3, 2016 11:22:44 GMT -5
Bonjour Shogg - Sorry to hear your P. alpina didn't make it! Given how wide ranging it is, my suspension is that there must be ecotypes that will work as outdoor plants by you (and me for that matter). Ones from Arctic Ocean Islands, probably not. But ones from Mongolia should work. Anyone going to Mongolia on a collecting trip soon?!
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