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Post by bradt on Jul 12, 2013 21:05:42 GMT -5
This Mexican Butterwort NOiD was given to me by a friend a few months ago. Any Ideas?? I hate having mislabeled or NOiD plants
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Post by hal on Jul 12, 2013 22:24:37 GMT -5
Those square pots with 7000 series numbers on the side look familiar. Did they contain orchids at one time?
The plant looks like a P. moranensis to me. I had one just like it which the person who gave it to me called P. moranensis 'G' "purple flower". Notable for the purple flower, pale green leaves and smaller size.
Mine has since passed on. I'd be interested in trading if you can start some leaf pullings.
Hal
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Post by shoggoths on Jul 12, 2013 22:31:56 GMT -5
I have a moranensis 'G' sending a flower stalk.
We will be able to compare the flower in a week.
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Post by bradt on Jul 12, 2013 22:55:54 GMT -5
I have a moranensis 'G' sending a flower stalk. We will be able to compare the flower in a week. Maybe they can be very variable. I Have moranensis in bloom right now, this Ping shown is about half the sized plant as the moranensis with half the size flowers. Similar shape and similar nector, pointy, thing behind it. (very long)
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Post by hal on Jul 12, 2013 23:02:54 GMT -5
Moranensis is an extremely variable plant with many named varieties. Some are likely subspecies or even new species, some are probably just variants. Depends if you're a grouper or a splitter. The flower is usually the best identifier. Leaves vary with age, season and conditions.
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Post by bradt on Jul 12, 2013 23:06:04 GMT -5
Those square pots with 7000 series numbers on the side look familiar. Did they contain orchids at one time? The plant looks like a P. moranensis to me. I had one just like it which the person who gave it to me called P. moranensis 'G' "purple flower". Notable for the purple flower, pale green leaves and smaller size. Mine has since passed on. I'd be interested in trading if you can start some leaf pullings. Hal Hi Hal, shoggoths seems to think the same thing... I guess It could be, if your both thinking so. His was a 'G' as well. what is he "'G'"? As i said to him I Have moranensis in bloom right now, this Ping shown is about half the sized plant as the moranensis I have with half the size flowers. Similar shape though. Yes, the Square pots must have come from Orchids. I don't remember which kinds, i have 100's of them and 12 or so pots like that. I now use them for my first year pings. I'll be making some pulling this winter. There is one pulling in the pot now but it has been claimed. Brad
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Post by bradt on Jul 12, 2013 23:08:09 GMT -5
I have a moranensis 'G' sending a flower stalk. We will be able to compare the flower in a week. Did some Goggling and looks like your probably right. about the "G" thanks Brad
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Post by bradt on Jul 12, 2013 23:21:14 GMT -5
Moranensis is an extremely variable plant with many named varieties. Some are likely subspecies or even new species, some are probably just variants. Depends if you're a grouper or a splitter. The flower is usually the best identifier. Leaves vary with age, season and conditions. Good to know! your probably right, I was just looking for it (P. Moranensis 'G') on google images Thanks!
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Post by hal on Jul 13, 2013 10:38:22 GMT -5
The "G" is just a naming convention to try and keep track of the different varieties. Peter D'Amato started it in his book. I don't think there are any hard and fast rules about it and different people use different letters. I have one that came to me named 'A' , one with no name and one called moranensis "Pachuca" that turned out to be a cross which probably has no moranensis in it.
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Post by shoggoths on Jul 22, 2013 18:48:53 GMT -5
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Post by hal on Jul 22, 2013 20:46:23 GMT -5
I found this thread over at ICPS icps.proboards.com/thread/5120/savage-garden-moranensis-typesPeter D'Amato may have more concise names or descriptions for the moranensis he's labelled A through O in the updated version of The Savage Garden. I checked Amazon and it looks like the new version is out. Has anybody got it, and can they confirm that the ping descriptions have been expanded?
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Post by 31drew31 on Jul 22, 2013 23:02:33 GMT -5
Have to agree, looks like "G". I wonder if Apoplast has purchased the new book yet. I hope to purchase it soon if possible, looks like a good read.
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Post by shoggoths on Jul 23, 2013 11:42:00 GMT -5
I had a chance to give a quick sneak peek at D'Amato revised version of his book and there's still only descriptions of the A, D and G forms like in the older book.
Drew, you can easily and already have the book via amazon.ca. Still 5 books left. I'll let you know what I think of it when I have more time to looked at it thoroughly.
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Post by bradt on Jul 23, 2013 12:26:45 GMT -5
Beautiful ping and great photo! Looks like my ping is definantly a "G". Thanks for uploading the photo.
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