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Post by dvg on Mar 20, 2013 14:36:16 GMT -5
Here is something you might not see all that often: a cristate form of Pinguicula. I received these P. jaumavensis L90-14 from BCP. One of these mexi-pings was always a bit odd, but i didn't pay too much attention to it at first. At first glance, it looked like a butterwort that wanted to divide. Please excuse the flyspecks on this plant - they are from a recent feeding. However, the sides of this plant were not the normal rosettes, one would expect to see in a dividing Pinguicula. And a couple of shots from one end looking up the cleavage of this butterwort. I've seen cristata/crested/cristate forms in cacti and Euphorbia species before, but not in Pinguicula, so i thought this might be worth sharing. dvg
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Post by 31drew31 on Mar 20, 2013 15:34:16 GMT -5
Wow interesting plant dvg, never seen them like this.
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Post by lloyd on Mar 20, 2013 15:56:37 GMT -5
Very interesting.
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Post by hal on Mar 20, 2013 22:05:42 GMT -5
Neat. I bet you could get 500 leaf pullings off that thing!
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Post by shoggoths on Mar 20, 2013 22:14:48 GMT -5
Nice phenomenon there ... never heard about it before.
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Post by Apoplast on Mar 20, 2013 22:17:16 GMT -5
Hi DVG - Wow!!! That is fantastic! Thanks so much for sharing your photos with us! When I used to grow succulents cristate forms were not all that uncommon, but I've never seen a CP version. Hal brings up a good point - would the pullings grow true to form?
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Post by H2O on Mar 21, 2013 9:37:47 GMT -5
so i thought this might be worth sharing. Haha Might? I think people have shared things far less interesting then that! Not a ping persons but I have to admit that that is pretty awesome! I too would love to see if it stays true from a leaf pulling.
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Post by lloyd on Mar 21, 2013 12:53:35 GMT -5
My guess is that it's a meristem phenomenon and leaf pullings would be normal.
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Post by Apoplast on Mar 21, 2013 18:55:23 GMT -5
Hi Lloyd - True, fasciation trends to be a meristematic trait. The propagation of succulent clones I am familiar with with this trait branch, and divisions are then rooted. I hadn't really thought about that.
Still, given that new plantlets on pings from pullings arise from the basal white portion of the leaf it might be worth a try. Does anyone know technically what that tissue is? Is it really leaf, petiole, or part of the stem?
I ask, because if it is stem tissue and the fasciation was caused by a mutation, then it's possible that the new plantlets would carry the mutation and as they develop their meristem, grow the same fasciation.
I have no way to know if this is anything but a story. But it's a possible route of success. Anyhow, might be worth a try.
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Post by dvg on Mar 22, 2013 15:12:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments. When I used to grow succulents cristate forms were not all that uncommon, but I've never seen a CP version. Hal brings up a good point - would the pullings grow true to form? When i was searching for cristate CPs, i did come across a few mentions of a crested form of Drosera capensis. (see link below) img60.imageshack.us/img60/6952/cpcrest7qx.jpgHere is another link to more crested D. capensis pics in post #13 in the link below. www.cpukforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=26915Crested forms of VFTs are out there as well. In regard to taking cuttings, i don't believe that leaf pullings would work, and that the plant would have to be cut into sections perpendicular to the cresting on this plant's crown, in order to keep the cristate pattern of growth. From, what i've read of cristate forms, they can revert back to normal growth again, and the phenomenon of a growth point moving in or out of cristata is not well understood. So cutting up this plant might cause it to revert back to normal growth again, not a bad thing in itself, but not nearly as interesting. But, i'll probably try some pullings from the crown of the plant, just to satisfy the question of whether or not this trait will be passed onto the resulting propagated progeny. dvg
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Post by Apoplast on Mar 22, 2013 18:54:22 GMT -5
Hi DVG - Cool capensis picts! In regard to taking cuttings, i don't believe that leaf pullings would work Bummer. But, i'll probably try some pullings from the crown of the plant, just to satisfy the question of whether or not this trait will be passed onto the resulting propagated progeny. That's the spirit!
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Post by dvg on Mar 23, 2013 15:49:47 GMT -5
Hi Apoplast, There is some hope that this plant will stay true to its current form when propagated by leaf pullings. There isn't a lot of literature on cristate forms of Pinguicula, at least to say, i haven't come across any yet. And the funky looking leaves on this plant look quite different from those of its pot mates. The closest succulent genus i could think of that matched a mexi-ping's rosetted shape, growth pattern and ability to be propagated from leaf pullings was Echevaria. So i did a search and it turns out that there are a few cristate forms of Echevaria and other succulents that reproduce true from leaf pullings. (see link below) www.lapshin.org/cultivar/N15/crist-e.htmSo until i get around to trying this, the answer lies in limbo, smiling in a quantum cloud, neither absolute nor impossible - for now. dvg
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Post by Apoplast on Mar 23, 2013 18:58:49 GMT -5
Hi DVG - Nicely done on finding a species with a similar growth form that can be propagated from leaves! smiling in a quantum cloud, neither absolute nor impossible You could have been a poet for Dr. Bohr!
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Post by dvg on Apr 2, 2013 13:34:42 GMT -5
This plant has responded well to a recent feeding, by putting out substanial growth over the past twelve days. dvg
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Post by 31drew31 on Apr 2, 2013 15:13:35 GMT -5
Wow its changed quite a bit within the 12 days. Will be interesting to see how it looks in a few months. Wonder if it will continue to switch from carnivorous leaves to the more succulent leaves throughout the seasons.
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