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Post by vraev on Apr 30, 2009 0:07:42 GMT -5
Hi Tom, I just got a reply from Rock. He says it is sold out. I will ask him if he has any small ones for sale. I rather get smaller plants of the species than none at all. Good to know Sdeering. I do plan on growing them inside, YES! Hmm! THere is also a european variant of this species. Maybe that one is less temperate.
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Post by jay on May 1, 2009 7:58:30 GMT -5
i know , but eh better to blow it on plants , then drugs or booze , lest you have something in the end, than a toilet full of piss.
I am going to be ordering some orchids and other stuff from fraser's soon.
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Post by vraev on May 2, 2009 20:16:43 GMT -5
true that Jay! True that! But the issue is that money generally is very tight...and especially as a student, there are quite some expenses involved with the minimal income that we earn. Hence, a 60$ orchid that can otherwise be obtained at 25$ is a far stretch.
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Post by lenynero on May 6, 2009 10:26:06 GMT -5
Hi Vreav, I went to the Southern Ontario Orchid Meeting this past sunday and spotted this on one of the sales tables....
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Post by kd on May 18, 2009 13:56:42 GMT -5
Hey guys. I say this thread a little late, and I thought I'd add my 2 cents on this.
First, if the species that you are looking for is the small yellow lady slipper that is native to Canada, then it is Cypripedium parviflorum var. makasin. Cypripedium calceolus is the European species, and the names get mixed up a lot, which causes a lot of confusion. I too would like a Cyp. calceolus, but don't have one yet.
Second, most of Canada's native species of orchids that you see for sale are dug from the wild (some have been 'rescued' and propagated by division). It is good to ask questions before purchasing. The more plants that people buy without asking, the more these plants will be dug up, leaving those that want to see plants in the wild with looking at holes in the ground instead. Hawaiian Botanicals was mentioned here, and I do not know where the plants came from, but it would be good to ask. Fraser's Thimble Farms sells the large yellow, and when I asked, they said they originally came from a garden. Were they dug from the wild or rescued? From what I understand, most of FTF's plants are see-grown.
The best is to get seed-grown plants, but these are hard to come by, unless you want to import from Europe. Most sellers in the U.S. do not export.
If you see Cyp. parviflorum var. parviflorum for sale in Canada, it is probably var. makasin. The var. parvifloum is found in the eastern states. Cyp. parviflorum var. pubescens is the large yellow lady slipper.
Hope this helps a bit.
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Post by lenynero on May 18, 2009 15:57:32 GMT -5
Second, most of Canada's native species of orchids that you see for sale are dug from the wild (some have been 'rescued' and propagated by division). It is good to ask questions before purchasing. The more plants that people buy without asking, the more these plants will be dug up, leaving those that want to see plants in the wild with looking at holes in the ground instead. Just so folks don't think that the Southern Ontario Orchid society is condoning the taking of wild Orchids... all Orchids for sale at our meetings are propogated by reputable dealers... and on a plus note there is an active conservation program for Ontario native orchids ... the society has been planting these for a few years down at the brickworks here in Toronto. ;D
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Post by lloyd on May 18, 2009 17:33:46 GMT -5
I'll have to check the brickworks out. I'd love to see lady slippers in Toronto.
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Post by kd on May 18, 2009 18:08:45 GMT -5
[quote author=lenynero board=tradingpost thread=2905 post=30116 time=1242680252 Just so folks don't think that the Southern Ontario Orchid society is condoning the taking of wild Orchids... all Orchids for sale at our meetings are propogated by reputable dealers... and on a plus note there is an active conservation program for Ontario native orchids ... the society has been planting these for a few years down at the brickworks here in Toronto. ;D [/quote]
I didn't want to accuse anyone - I should have commented on this plant for sale. Thanks for the info in that. When you say reputable dealers, would you mind naming them? I have been searching for sellers of native orchids, and it is not easy. For the conservation part, do members of SOOS rescue orchids from areas in Toronto and replant them at the brickworks?
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Post by lloyd on May 18, 2009 20:58:10 GMT -5
I've never seen any orchids wild in Toronto (not counting Epipactis helleborine), so the ones in the Brickworks must be a re-introduction.
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Post by vraev on May 18, 2009 21:44:00 GMT -5
Good to see you back here Kd. Yup! Cypripedium calceolus , the european species is the one I am looking for. I saw it in a british documentary where they were saying its a very very rare orchid in the wild that has been successfully reintroduced. It looks beautiful. I personally think its better than all the Cypripedium species mentioned here. Personally thats why I am very wary when considering to get any of the local canadian orchids from the vendors. I have had enough issues with pests already and I personally believe that I have just controlled them but not exterminated them. I don't need more pests to come in through wild collected plants or field grown plants. I hence prefer either TC grown or indoor seed grown plants. Hey guys. I say this thread a little late, and I thought I'd add my 2 cents on this. First, if the species that you are looking for is the small yellow lady slipper that is native to Canada, then it is Cypripedium parviflorum var. makasin. Cypripedium calceolus is the European species, and the names get mixed up a lot, which causes a lot of confusion. I too would like a Cyp. calceolus, but don't have one yet. Second, most of Canada's native species of orchids that you see for sale are dug from the wild (some have been 'rescued' and propagated by division). It is good to ask questions before purchasing. The more plants that people buy without asking, the more these plants will be dug up, leaving those that want to see plants in the wild with looking at holes in the ground instead. Hawaiian Botanicals was mentioned here, and I do not know where the plants came from, but it would be good to ask. Fraser's Thimble Farms sells the large yellow, and when I asked, they said they originally came from a garden. Were they dug from the wild or rescued? From what I understand, most of FTF's plants are see-grown. The best is to get seed-grown plants, but these are hard to come by, unless you want to import from Europe. Most sellers in the U.S. do not export. If you see Cyp. parviflorum var. parviflorum for sale in Canada, it is probably var. makasin. The var. parvifloum is found in the eastern states. Cyp. parviflorum var. pubescens is the large yellow lady slipper. Hope this helps a bit.
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Post by lenynero on May 18, 2009 22:18:19 GMT -5
When you say reputable dealers, would you mind naming them? I have been searching for sellers of native orchids, and it is not easy. For the conservation part, do members of SOOS rescue orchids from areas in Toronto and replant them at the brickworks? They grow from seed or cuttings(dealer).... Nothing is collected from the wild. Reputable dealers that I know of personally are. www.orchidsinourtropics.com/www.cloudsorchids.com/www.zephyrusorchids.com/Those would be my 3 top choices there are plenty of others... there is a dealer in Oshawa that deals strictly with Cypripediums..all seed to flask... but I don't know him personally. Leny
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Post by kd on May 18, 2009 22:22:03 GMT -5
Try Fraser's Thimble Farms. They have it in their catalogue, and I believe they are a respectible seller that (mostly) sells only seed-grown plants. I would ask first to confirm though. They might have the name mixed up, I don't know, since they call Cyp. parviflorum a species, and Cyp. pubescens a species, which they aren't.
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Post by tom on May 19, 2009 7:00:04 GMT -5
The seller i talked about earlier in this thread (Ya-Li Orchids) is importing flasks of Cypripedium, and is getting into micropropagation himself. None of his plants are poached from the wild.
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Post by kd on May 19, 2009 23:01:09 GMT -5
[quote author=lenynero board=tradingpost thread=2905 post=30128 time=1242703099 [/quote] They grow from seed or cuttings(dealer).... Nothing is collected from the wild. Reputable dealers that I know of personally are. www.orchidsinourtropics.com/www.cloudsorchids.com/www.zephyrusorchids.com/Those would be my 3 top choices there are plenty of others... there is a dealer in Oshawa that deals strictly with Cypripediums..all seed to flask... but I don't know him personally. Leny[/quote] I know all three of these vendors, and I have not known any of them to sell Cypripediums. I would guess the plants they are selling are just divisions of ones they have in their own gardens, since, as far as I am aware, neither of them do their own flasking of native orchids. One vendor I know of is 'A Bloomin' Addiction' by Greg and Barb Warner, but I'm not sure where they are. He grows and sells his own seed-grown Cyps. (he has a lab). He has the native small yellow lady slipper. I have his e-mail if anyone is interested - let me know.
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