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Post by Devon on Feb 16, 2009 15:44:08 GMT -5
Hi, im a newbie here and I was wondering what sarracenia's are winter hardy here in Ontario and if it would work growing them planted in my backyard. Thanks.
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Post by carnivoure12 on Feb 16, 2009 15:57:04 GMT -5
Hi,
The canadian winter is too cold for most sarrs, in exception to Sarracenia Purpurea which is native to canada. You can plant them in a bog outside which you can create as many other people have. if you want to use other sarrs you will have to cover the bog will a haeavy layer of mulching.
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Post by brian on Feb 16, 2009 16:06:55 GMT -5
What part of Ontario are you from? You can use a lined bog garden (like a fish pond filled with peat and silica sand) and water it with either rain, RO or distilled, and grow the native purple pitcher plant easily. With winter mulch you can grow many others like flava, Dana's Delight and maybe Scarlet Belle - at least I've had some success with these, but I'm sure there are many others. I am experimenting with a number of varieties near Bancroft, see Brian's grow list. I don't mulch but we get reliable snow cover up there as soon as it turns cold, and there are no winter melts until spring - snow, if it stays, is a good mulch. PS I hope rick and Syble jump in here at some point because they have extensive experience with sarrs under outdoor mulched conditions in Ontario.
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Post by Rick Hillier on Feb 16, 2009 17:20:48 GMT -5
I have had pretty good luck with just about all of the species surviving in my outdoor bog with the exception of S. purpurea venosa (I don't understand that one) and S. minor that never seems to get that kick in its growth. I'm sure that a sunnier location would be better for them and would allow them to become more robust.
I am still keeping my fingers, toes and eyes crossed this year, as I had very extensive hail damage last year and I am hoping for some kind of recovery, as I owe one very patient gentleman on this board a whole bunch of divisions.
I'm in the Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario area and we've had a pretty good variety of winters here since I built this bog, ranging from very cold to mild and everything else in between.
I mulch it each year with about 12" of pine needles.
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Post by Devon on Feb 16, 2009 18:20:33 GMT -5
I'm from ottawa. Thanks for all the help so fer too.
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Post by lloyd on Feb 16, 2009 18:33:03 GMT -5
One thing I noticed last year is that my VFT's, sarr's and temperate sundews looked much, much better outside in full sun and in all temperatures from 0-30C+. How they will look in the spring after my make-do winteriziing, I don't know.
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Post by brian on Feb 16, 2009 18:52:21 GMT -5
Others that "The Savage Garden" indicates may be relatively hardy are S. Rubra jonesii, Dixie Lace and Oreophylla. I plan to try these out over the next couple of years.
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Post by mabudon on Feb 16, 2009 19:12:58 GMT -5
"scarlet belle" is freakin bomb proof (unless you forget to water)
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Post by Devon on Feb 16, 2009 21:14:15 GMT -5
So, to get them ready for dormancy outdoors, I would just cover the whole plant up with pine needles? Sorry if I am so nooby...
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Post by hal on Feb 16, 2009 22:16:35 GMT -5
I'm planning a bog for this spring, too. I believe you mulch the whole bog about 12" thick. Syble had a great idea which is to put a nylon netting down first so in the sprint you roll up the netting and the mulch is removed.
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Post by Syble on Feb 17, 2009 8:22:43 GMT -5
hello. I've had my bog 2 years? this is the second winter for me. First winter I mulched with pine needles, but this year I was hospitalized so never mulched. we had a bit of a thaw there and i can see everythings ok, but will try and unroll that mulch befor long as the problem dosen't seam to be the cold so much, its more the spring freeze thaw that we get. The first time i experimented with sarrs out side they lasted all winter untill the spring with the freeze thaw. I should probably mention that i think I have every species/subspecies out there and a whack of cultivars. I have pings and dews that live in there also, and i have a few seasonal additions that i bring in for the winter. I treat flytraps like this as they don't seam to like it there in the winter, but grow great all spring-fall. some make it, but no rhyme or reason and i don't want to play russian rullet! Oh my bogs deep, instead of the standart half a foot, or foor max, I went around 3' deep, for the water holding capacity. Sib
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Post by Rick Hillier on Feb 17, 2009 12:05:23 GMT -5
It must be nice to get 3' deep. I hit this awful clay at 6", so getting down to 15" is a challenge. If I ever get around to completing bog #2, I might need to use dynamite! That'll go over well with the neighbours
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Post by Syble on Feb 17, 2009 22:03:03 GMT -5
are you kiddin me!? 6" of soil above the clay must be nice! we hit clay as soon as we hit the first shovel lolha. Infact I gave my friend jess a lesson on the various types of clay as we hit them lol. Sib
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Post by Rick Hillier on Feb 18, 2009 9:13:49 GMT -5
Ya Syb... but your shovel is a bit bigger than mine
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Post by Devon on Feb 19, 2009 16:49:27 GMT -5
can all sarracecinia purpureas grow in our canadian climate?
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