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Post by clockworkpeacock on Jul 14, 2015 8:51:27 GMT -5
I'd like to get a Sarracenia but seems it should grow outside in a bog garden. I thought maybe I could make one out of a plastic kiddie pool and drill some holes in it for drainage, would this work? I want something I can bring inside to the garage because last winter in Niagara it was super cold. As for the stuff to put in it, do you guys use silica sand at the bottom layer and then a mix of sand and peat for the Sarracenia? Also I've read people saying that instead of using silica sand you can use pool filter sand. Also, do you absolutly need to dig a hole and then put the bog liner in the hole? I was thinking of just putting it on the deck where it's nice and sunny.
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Post by lloyd on Jul 14, 2015 9:01:50 GMT -5
Use peat/perlite, much lighter. No drainage holes. I put a PVC pipe for drainage that sticks above the soil. The bottom of the pipe is just above the bottom and sits in some inert material that keeps the drain clear and provides aeration for the roots. You can check the water level with a stick and siphon out excess water before moving the pool.
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Post by clockworkpeacock on Jul 14, 2015 10:56:42 GMT -5
Great, thanks for the advice. I'm not 100% sure how the pipe would be able to drain the water though? But I'll get a PVC pipe and test it out
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Post by lloyd on Jul 14, 2015 11:05:30 GMT -5
It doesn't drain the water but it allows you to siphon the water with aquarium tubing when you need to. You want to keep all the water you can. ocps.proboards.com/thread/4908/microbogsHere's a thread on my microbog set-up.
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Post by WillyCKH on Jul 14, 2015 11:45:40 GMT -5
Use peat/perlite, much lighter. No drainage holes. I put a PVC pipe for drainage that sticks above the soil. The bottom of the pipe is just above the bottom and sits in some inert material that keeps the drain clear and provides aeration for the roots. You can check the water level with a stick and siphon out excess water before moving the pool. That's a brilliant idea!
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Post by H2O on Jul 14, 2015 15:27:34 GMT -5
You've seen Carl's plants, they survived Niagara's winter last year. My suggestion is to sink the pool into the ground, during the winter you can mulch and the ground helps insulate the sides. You won't be able to move a kiddie pool full of soil and plants, they just aren't strong enough to support being picked up or dragged. For movable bogs I wouldn't do anything much bigger then 3 feet across.
I despise perlite outside as it floats and looks terrible, although it works great and is cheap and light. I've made several bogs outside and I just do the bottom 2/3 peat and perlite to save money and time. I then mix up my peat and sand and use that for my top 1/3. Some perlite makes its way to the top when you repot but it's easy to scoop the small amount off.
Lloyds PVC pipe idea is a must to be able to keep your eye on the water table.
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Post by shoggoths on Jul 14, 2015 19:42:17 GMT -5
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Post by clockworkpeacock on Jul 14, 2015 21:27:58 GMT -5
Ok now the pipe makes perfect sense, what a great idea! I haven't actually gone to see carl's plants yet, thursday seems like the day we're gonna go pick them up so wendsday I will prepare the bog. My mum won't let me dig a hole for the bog nor would she let me have a kiddie pool on the deck, I have a long planter I thought I could rig up to be a bog, I asked Carl if it would work and he said it was worth a shot. I don't have the exact dimesions of the planter but it's at least 1 foot deep, I can take it to my father's house when the cold weather comes and dig and hole and winter it there since it's sturdier than a kiddie pool. I'll post pics of the process and pics of it when it's done and you guys can tell me if I did it right and give suggestions as to how to make it better for the Sarracenia plants
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Post by clockworkpeacock on Jul 15, 2015 16:30:57 GMT -5
I ran out of perlite so I went to the store and got more I gotta add more stuff but you get the gist, also the pipe may have been cute a liiiitle too tall lol.
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Post by lloyd on Jul 15, 2015 18:17:52 GMT -5
I meant the pipe to just poke up about 3" above the soil and it only has to be about a 1/2" thick, just enough to put a dipstick in or aquarium tubing for siphoning. Otherwise good for a try and see how the plants grow. Should be Ok.
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Post by clockworkpeacock on Jul 15, 2015 18:32:18 GMT -5
I meant the pipe to just poke up about 3" above the soil and it only has to be about a 1/2" thick, just enough to put a dipstick in or aquarium tubing for siphoning. Otherwise good for a try and see how the plants grow. Should be Ok. Will the comically oversized pipe work or should I look for a smaller one? I could always cut it down to a more manageable size
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Post by sakerr on Jul 15, 2015 18:35:55 GMT -5
It will work... but its taking up so much space... couldn't you fit another CP in there?
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Post by clockworkpeacock on Jul 15, 2015 21:59:36 GMT -5
It will work... but its taking up so much space... couldn't you fit another CP in there? The pipe was only like 2.50 so I'll go out to orrow and look for another much smaller pipe
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Post by bcmosaic on Jul 16, 2015 8:53:16 GMT -5
You can go to Home Depot and pick up a small white piece of 1/2" pvc for cheap Have fun.
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Post by clockworkpeacock on Jul 17, 2015 0:51:27 GMT -5
I met Carl today, he was a very nice and knowledgeable man. We had a delightful conversation about his bog garden and how he grew his plants. He was super excited that I was just starting out in the hobby. I intended to leave with 1 Sarracenia, I left with 4 Sarracenia, 2 Flytraps and a Sundew. Of course I had to set up another bog garden container for the flytraps and sundew because the main one would have been too crowded. What I'm gonna try and do is maybe drill a hole on the side of the container several inches from the top of the peat and see if that works for drainage. I'll also try the pipe thing too once I can get out to like, Rona and find a smaller pipe. Pics tomorrow!
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