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Post by Maiden on Sept 28, 2014 9:25:02 GMT -5
I wanted to make this evolutive thread as a future reference for this new heliamphora hybrid. I will add pictures from time to times just for the follow up! The seeds when i got them. Thanks to my friend dimitry. H.collina x elongata seeds by dals009, on Flickr The first tiny sprouting seedlings slowly grow, heads still in the seed capsules. Germination date is 20/09/14. Heliamphora collina x elongata first sprouts by dals009, on Flickr Heliamphora collina x elongata first sprouts by dals009, on Flickr Sorry for the pictures quality.. I tryed to germinate these seeds in my highland setup with my other helis. After several weeks, i noticed the edges of the seeds started to rot. So i change my method. I bring the seeds in full sun under a single plastic propagation dome. I let the seeds under that dome for 3-4 days at 30C and 100%RH, and then the seeds started to sprout. A couple days after the germinations i just bring back the seedlings into the highland setup.
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Post by cory on Sept 28, 2014 12:03:26 GMT -5
Good job maiden.
I have noticed different growth rates of some of my helis responding to temperatures.
Some seem to grow faster warmer with no drop at night. Some don't grow well without it. Seems quite interesting
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Post by Maiden on Sept 28, 2014 12:30:14 GMT -5
Good job maiden. I have noticed different growth rates of some of my helis responding to temperatures. Some seem to grow faster warmer with no drop at night. Some don't grow well without it. Seems quite interesting Yes same here. Right now i grow a h.parva clone with a h.heterodoxa clone. Its not a good mix; when my heterodoxa thrive with warmer temps(24-26C) my parva just stop growing until the day temps drop a bit(20-22C). Same for hispida vs minor var minor, or folliculata vs neblinae. Thats why i dont keep all my helis tanks at the same temperatures. We have to find the perfect balance for all our babies ;-)
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Post by cory on Sept 28, 2014 13:36:29 GMT -5
I never realized it so much prior to my last setup change last year. I have two tanks the ones that prefer warmer temps stay in the top tank and the cooler ones grow in the bottom It's taken awhile for me to figure it out but the elevation listed for them don't reflect what they actually want sometimes.
For example my ciliata is a low elevation heli but it seems to do much better with cooler temps and my chimentensis seems to prefer it warmer.
Idk odd to me
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Post by Maiden on Sept 28, 2014 16:07:25 GMT -5
Haha same here. In my tanks, the neblinae clones like parva or hispida and some other ultra highland helis grow to the side where my a/c blow. Its colder for them In the SAME tank, one side is 2C lower. I place my plants inside by their insitu elevations. We have to be a lil crazy to grow helis LOL From my experience, i think all helis need cool roots 24/7, but some species like warmer temperatures for the air part. Maybe its a matter of how a specific clone line grow in his natural habitat. For example, the neblinae grow in mostly open habitats up there, so even if this specie grow at a very high elevation, it can take a 'lot' of heat(for the air part). Much more than the hispida, who also grown on neblibae but on mostly shaded habitats. And i think between 2 clone lines of the same species, one can take much more heat or need more light than the other for the same reasons. Hope my english is not so bad on this one LOL
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Post by roraima on Sept 29, 2014 1:01:41 GMT -5
Great job Maiden! Please keep us posted on the progress of these little germinates.
Its interesting that these seeds seem to require hot, humid conditions to germinate. It reminds me of posts I've read about the seeds of some highland Nep species having much better germination rates in lowland conditions.
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Post by Maiden on Oct 5, 2014 11:13:18 GMT -5
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Post by cory on Oct 5, 2014 11:19:55 GMT -5
Great job maiden looks promising. I think it's guaranteed success at this point
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Post by Maiden on Oct 5, 2014 12:33:47 GMT -5
Yes at this stage the head stay often stuck in the nut and the seedling just die. Frustrating.
The germination rate is very low on that seeds batch. But at least i have some. I think heliamphora seeds are less viable after a couple months only.
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Post by canuk1w1 on Oct 5, 2014 12:39:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the updates. They should be very nice hybrids! Do you trim the sphag often? With the high light and humidity, I expect the moss can outgrow the seedlings and cover them. I prefer sphag for planting but it always starts growing around when the seedlings germinate and covers them unless I give it a monthly shave.
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Post by lloyd on Oct 5, 2014 19:12:24 GMT -5
Always exciting to see the seedlings coming along.
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Post by Maiden on Oct 5, 2014 20:34:04 GMT -5
Thanks for the updates. They should be very nice hybrids! Do you trim the sphag often? With the high light and humidity, I expect the moss can outgrow the seedlings and cover them. I prefer sphag for planting but it always starts growing around when the seedlings germinate and covers them unless I give it a monthly shave. Yes i have to trim the sphag as needed, these little seedlings grow so slowly. Sometimes i just pull some moss with my fingers when i water the plants, take 20 seconds.
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Post by nwflytrap on Oct 6, 2014 6:55:19 GMT -5
Cute little seedling Maiden. How many have germinated?
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Post by Maiden on Oct 6, 2014 9:43:26 GMT -5
1 new this morning, so 5 little guys and still counting
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Post by Maiden on Nov 19, 2014 12:31:58 GMT -5
Quick update My lil helis start to look good, with good colors and very hairy even at this stage. Heliamphora collina x elongata by dals009, on Flickr Heliamphora collina x elongata seedlings by dals009, on Flickr Soon they will start to eat some springtails, so the growing speed will be much faster. One of the seedling is very different. I didnt post a picture because the focus was not good. The color is deep green, clearly different, and smaller. It look like very fragile and slow grower, but i can see a tiny first juvenile pitcher growing. Maybe a future heliamphora bouliannensis? Huhuh Im very pleased with these seedlings batch I will try to take another photo later.
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