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Post by lloyd on Oct 12, 2015 16:30:39 GMT -5
Mine collapse on a regular basis.
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Post by roraima on Oct 12, 2015 17:08:54 GMT -5
In my experience leaf and pitcher die back/collapse is usually due to lack of seasonality and dormancy. Cephs almost always come back (sometimes with a vengeance see curlingguys posts) from leaf pitcher die back. It's like the dieback serves as replacement dormancy.
What Varun has to my eyes looks totally different, like rot, not from the leaves or pitchers but as he said from the roots up. The classic Ceph sudden death syndrome/rot, where the plant won't come back unless immediate action is taken. I've heard overwatering and air stagnation can cause it in plants grown indoors, but overwatering has never been a problem for my plants grown outdoors. I'm interested to hear what caused this in Varun's plants.
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Post by Dennis Z on Oct 12, 2015 19:10:21 GMT -5
I've had similar troubles with one of my larger cephs. All the pitchers turned yellow and died and I was left with a bare stalk, but fortunately everything is just starting to grow back. I do believe that is what roraima is saying. The pitchers turned yellow and died but the lids didn't close and wilt. With Varun's case, it certainly does look like "sudden death syndrome" and I suspect it might be due to possibly high humidty and moisture. I'm also curious on how that might have happened, Varun's cephs were looking very spectacular.
@varun, have you tried trichoderma fungi with your cephs? It can possibly prevent this from happening in the future.
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Post by vraev on Oct 13, 2015 1:47:57 GMT -5
Varun I'm so sorry!!! I was a big fan of those plant especially the BCP clone. What happened here exactly??? I've been growing Cephs for a few years now, and the only time I have ever seen anything like this is when a Cpeh rotted in shipping from Australia. But never from a healthy looking potted Ceph growing in already established conditions. I have some extra divisions of a couple of clones I can send you if these plants don't make it. In my experience leaf and pitcher die back/collapse is usually due to lack of seasonality and dormancy. Cephs almost always come back (sometimes with a vengeance see curlingguys posts) from leaf pitcher die back. It's like the dieback serves as replacement dormancy. What Varun has to my eyes looks totally different, like rot, not from the leaves or pitchers but as he said from the roots up. The classic Ceph sudden death syndrome/rot, where the plant won't come back unless immediate action is taken. I've heard overwatering and air stagnation can cause it in plants grown indoors, but overwatering has never been a problem for my plants grown outdoors. I'm interested to hear what caused this in Varun's plants. Thank you Roraima. I first need to correct my conditions and get cephs growing well again. What happened is wet conditions + no air movement (closed system) + lot of heat. It literally became prime conditions for fungus and algae growth. Can see it in the dying sphagnum in many pots. I cut open some vents as u can see on both sides. It looks like I might need to add a fan for this. Mine collapse on a regular basis. I have never had that happen Lloyd. At least in the 10y since I got this plant from Jay. There are times when it suddenly slows...but for the most part, it keeps chugging along at a slow steady pace. This is my first try with a new "tray" setup. A tank would be better...but was trying to avoid buying another tank. That was the point of my single ceph with LED setup..but that is also suffering with heat stress. Notice the lids browning/drying. This plant is on the opposite end of the spectrum. Low humidity...mostly room humidity...high light...maybe too high...also to add heat due to the LEDs. I have raised up the fixture a couple of inches....hopefully this helps. Lets see. I've had similar troubles with one of my larger cephs. All the pitchers turned yellow and died and I was left with a bare stalk, but fortunately everything is just starting to grow back. I do believe that is what roraima is saying. The pitchers turned yellow and died but the lids didn't close and wilt. With Varun's case, it certainly does look like "sudden death syndrome" and I suspect it might be due to possibly high humidty and moisture. I'm also curious on how that might have happened, Varun's cephs were looking very spectacular. @varun, have you tried trichoderma fungi with your cephs? It can possibly prevent this from happening in the future. Yup! I do have trichoderma..but it is a couple of years old. The viability of these fungal spores is definitely questionable. I have been thinking whether I should do a test myself to somehow check it. Perhaps a wet tissue (n=3) with control tissues sealed in zip lock bags sprayed with trich solution? I don't know if it would work...but worth a shot I guess. but I think I might need something more "nutritious" for the fungi.
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Post by vraev on Oct 13, 2015 13:14:24 GMT -5
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Post by vraev on Oct 18, 2015 21:58:06 GMT -5
Check this out...my first set of D. muscipula setting seed. It is a selfed bohemian garnet from Urban bog/Keehns carnivores collection. I only got 14 seed from the whole set of 6 flowers...but really looks cool...check out the polka dots in blue and the lines on the seed. Very interesting. I wonder what is the purpose of it.
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Post by vraev on Dec 1, 2015 15:36:45 GMT -5
As December rolls around, here is an year end update of the tanks..pics just taken a moment ago. Both are looking pretty good IMO. I will be soon upgrading. lol! but here they are:
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Post by edwardmelnyk on Dec 1, 2015 17:33:06 GMT -5
Wow man, that is stunning! How do you get the cords and everything to stay in place? How do you mount them?
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Post by vraev on Dec 1, 2015 17:52:07 GMT -5
Wow man, that is stunning! How do you get the cords and everything to stay in place? How do you mount them? Thanks... I just tape them to the side. lol! I tried velcroing them...but even with tape/velcro...eventually it weakens and the cord falls off. I plan on trying something different for my next tank.
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Post by edwardmelnyk on Dec 1, 2015 17:57:04 GMT -5
Okay, thanks! That should've been the obvious answer to me, I don't seem to be functioning properly today, haha.
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Post by Avery on Dec 1, 2015 20:08:02 GMT -5
I love it man! Such pretty terrariums. Would love to see individually what you have in there! Maybe once you set up your new terrarium and are transferring plants over you could snap some pics!?
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Post by vraev on Dec 2, 2015 0:27:19 GMT -5
I love it man! Such pretty terrariums. Would love to see individually what you have in there! Maybe once you set up your new terrarium and are transferring plants over you could snap some pics!? Thanks man. Definitely. Will do. I haven't removed plants from this tank in over an year. I myself can't wait to see how some of the plants at the back look. lol. I know there are some things I myself don't know back there. lol
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Post by vraev on Feb 2, 2016 23:44:26 GMT -5
Some updates on plants: Cephalotus collection: DSC_0454 by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr DSC_0459 by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr cephalotus seedlings (supposedly… bought on eBay) DSC_0466 by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr DSC_0467 by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr My technique to grow cephs on a wall in a pot DSC_0460 by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr This is the rotted ceph from a few pages back...I stuck divisions in an angled pot and viola Back in october of last year Closing pitchers of cephalotus by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr A cephalotus dying by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr rescuing cephalotus by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr WP_20151008_00_56_17_Pro by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr now... So thankfully...I was able to rescue the divisions of my first ceph that was a gift from Dear Jay for my Bday back in 2007 Thanks again Jay. Here is the update DSC_0469 by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr D. scorpioides thanks Devon DSC_0451 by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr DSC_0453 by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr Here are some others Bulbophyllum sp. by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr Bulbophyllum sp by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr Bulbophyllum sp. by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr Nepenthes macrophylla newest pitcher Nepenthes macrophylla by Varun Anipindi, on Flickr Last but not least...a cool effect.. sunset in the orchid tank
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Post by vraev on Feb 2, 2016 23:47:03 GMT -5
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Post by roraima on Feb 3, 2016 10:05:55 GMT -5
Looking fantastic Varun! That's an amazing comeback your Cephs have had, it's really great to see. It takes some real courage (and usually quite a bit of experience) to take such drastic measures when faced with a prized but rotting plant. It certainly paid off That macrophylla is looking so awesome, is this a commercial clone or seed grown plant?
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