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Post by edwardmelnyk on Oct 25, 2016 18:44:32 GMT -5
Hey everyone, (Please move this post if it's not in the right section) So I saw the whole wistuba thing going on and, well I'm just gonna say I'll steer clear of it. However when I was looking at it, the idea came to me that I could do my own order next year, and I was wondering about the steps and certificates i would need to complete a legal order from out of country for Nepenthes? I'm starting to save up money for next year so I can acquire some of the plants I've really been wanting. Thanks! Edward
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Post by hebtwo on Oct 26, 2016 10:36:30 GMT -5
From what I understand (as long as you're not importing a protected species and don't need a CITES certificate), you'd need two documents to import legally: - Permit to Import Plants- Phytosanitary Certificate (Issued by Seller)The Canadian Import Permit lasts for 3 years and costs $35. The Phytosanitary Certificate is purchased each time you order (as an example, BCP charges about $45 CAD for a Phyto).
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Post by lloyd on Oct 26, 2016 10:55:04 GMT -5
That's all I needed when I imported a plant from South Africa.
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Post by danyoh on Oct 26, 2016 11:20:29 GMT -5
How would one import from the U.S? Just phyto?
"We advise that you submit an application for a permit for all material being imported from any place other than the Continental U.S. Most import permits are valid for three years."
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Post by lloyd on Oct 26, 2016 12:55:52 GMT -5
Easiest way is to drive across the border with "houseplants". I've done that.
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Post by hal on Oct 26, 2016 13:21:16 GMT -5
Easiest way is to drive across the border with "houseplants". I've done that. Did you mention them at the border? I'm going to Chicago in a few weeks and would like to bring back some succulents.
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Post by H2O on Oct 26, 2016 13:58:38 GMT -5
Regarding bringing plants back from the US.
The houseplant loophole ONLY applies to indoor tropicals. No outdoor plants you would plant in your garden. On top of this it only applies to plants not on schedule I and II of CITES. In terms on CP's this means all Sarracenia species and hybrids, Nepenthes species and hybrids and Flytraps are off the table. I have to double check but there might be another genus or two.
You may get lucky 99% of the time but if you bring CITES listed plants across the border and get caught you are going to get bent over and handed the book. You'll be treated like someone smuggling endangered plants, which you technically would be.
Now to bring plants across the border legally (that don't apply for the houseplant rule) all you need is a phyto. To get a phyto for CITES covered plants you need an American export permit (even though you don't need one for the plants, it's simply required just to get he phyto)
Basically you need to know someone in the states that can get an export permit for you and then get the plants inspected.
Pain in the Ass.
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Post by H2O on Oct 26, 2016 14:00:39 GMT -5
Did you mention them at the border? I'm going to Chicago in a few weeks and would like to bring back some succulents. You have to declare them or the houseplant rule doesn't apply. Print off the file and highlight the section that advices CBSA that no permit is required.
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Post by lloyd on Oct 26, 2016 14:58:57 GMT -5
I had a friend bring a big bare-rooted cactus cutting (over a foot long) across at Buffalo. They declared it and there was no problem.
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Post by Apoplast on Oct 26, 2016 20:36:14 GMT -5
The houseplant loophole ONLY applies to indoor tropicals. What?! We have no loop holes. Nothing like that. Just kilometers of red tape and mountains of paperwork. I think H2O best summed it up in the States...
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Post by morphman on Oct 26, 2016 22:57:47 GMT -5
I have yet to find any official documentation explaining the houseplant rule. I've contacted CBSA a few times regarding this matter and as far as they are concerned any plants coming into Canada need at least a phytosanitary inspection. If anybody can please guide me to where the official explanation is I would really appreciate it. Anything CITES listed is as Justin explained and I totally agree about the PITA thing. LOL ! I wish it wasn't but unless you have the perfect connection in the US it's tough.
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Post by lloyd on Oct 26, 2016 22:59:34 GMT -5
I know I found it on their website once.
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Post by danyoh on Oct 26, 2016 23:16:50 GMT -5
Recently brought back some bonsai plants from Wal-Mart in August with no problems. They just asked where we bought it from and we showed the receipt
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Post by sokkos on Oct 27, 2016 8:54:10 GMT -5
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Post by hal on Oct 27, 2016 11:19:25 GMT -5
Thanks, Sokkos.
however, the plants must be completely free from all soil, soil-related matter and growing media, and must be accompanied by a Phytosanitary Certificate issued by the USDA or its designate.
Anyone ever been asked for one of these when driving plants across and declaring them?
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