Hello Everyone, I live in rental accommodations and am going to take a chance on starting a bog in a large outdoor patio pot which is just over two feet in diameter with a small taper and is about 2 feet deep. What I would like to know is your suggestions on just how many plants I should be planting in it.
I am hoping for contrasting colour types but want to ensure proper room for the plants to develop. For the large species I was thinking
S. flava var flava S. Leuco 'Schnell's Ghost or some strikingly white veined type S. Flava var Cuprea although in a pinch it could be a strait green/chartreause type S. Waccamaw, which is red but still carries great contrast in itself (I would take this over the cuprea likely although it looks so beautiful)
I am also wondering if you have some suggestions for lower growing species so that I can creat a mini bog not just of tall species but of different heights for a more dynamic planter.
(The number of plants I attempt to procure will change based on your answers! Thanks for helping out a green noob.
My "microbog" pots are about 15" diameter and around 1 foot deep. 2 foot deep is more than you need so you could make a drainage space at the bottom. I have about 10 mature medium sized sarr's per pot. Your surface area is about 2.5 times bigger so you can figure how many Sarr's you could squeeze in depending on their size. Purp's, VFT's, pings and dews can grow around the periphery of the pot.
My pots are just at the practical limit of size & weight for me to move into the dormancy area in the garage. You will have to plan for dormancy before you embark on your medium size project.
Yes, Dormancy.... I was already thinking of this. I may just sink pots into the bog... for the first year I have some deep window wells which I could winter plants in with insulation, however I think a heavy duty dolly from my work will help me move the big one (once drained) into the garage as an entire unit.
That's a great size to start a mini-bog, like Lloyd said, a little deep but they won't affect how well the plants grow, just your back when you try to move it.
Sounds like you've got some ideas to get around your rental problem, I rent too but thankfully everything can overwinter in pots and I could move without digging up bogs.
I would suggest that you don't go for Schnells Ghost to start with. It's a a great plant but feel it is over rated, it can be painfully slow growing compared to other clones out there that are nicer and easier to grow.
For low growing plants there are a number of options, I feel a good mini-bog has other plants as well. Make sure you add Drosera species, Flytraps and temperate Pinguicula. It will allow more to look at throughout the season. Sarracenia purpurea is going to be your best bet for lower growing Sarr's, S. psittacina can be finicky about early and late frosts. There are also loads of hybrids that will fill that niche if your into hybrids.
Hi sakerr Binata is a good one to throw in, it survives winter fairly well and gives texture and different heights, also pinguicula grandiflora is handy for low growing shadier parts, VFTs, I grow my psitts outside all year so you could try one and see how it does in your climate, and any purp hydrid. You could also use minors as they are 250mm or so but they are a bit mpore prone to the cold.
Some good low-growing plants for the bog can include: Sarracenia psittacina, Dionea muscipula, Drosera rotundifolia, Drosera intermedia, Drosera linearis, and possibly Sarracenia pupurea and low growing hybrids that include psittacina or pupurea traits.
I am also planning to start a bog as soon as I obtain all the species I am looking for. I would suggest to try and add in non-carnivorous flowering plants if you want the bog to look very natural because in the wild, there is huge diversity amongst plants.
I have some sarracenia seedlings I germinated this spring so when you come pick up your plants, you can choose a few to add to your future bog and keep yourself entertained until you find some larger specimens. I have some low-ish growing species.
So, I visited Carl in Niagara and bought more than I should have..... I think that the bog will look excellent next year, very full, but I will have to start a second bog likely next year if everything survives. This is my first attempt. This is a tall pot I recognize, but it was what I had and it holds water, ultimately a cheap bog.
It is filled with Peat and some perlite nominal really because I wanted to add more sand. I added Sand to the top 1/2 of the bog at 40 percent compared to the peat perlite mixture 60 percent.
I have filled it with rainwater and now wait! the young pitcher are still growing and maturing so it will likely be ok. I likely should have divided the clumps more, but one aspect of hobby growing plants when you are married is trying to fit in more of that hobby without your significant other noticing...... So I have overprinted the bog fully believing and knowing that I will need to expand next year or the year after (I already have the matching pot but it has a cedar tree in it right now
I will keep posting pics from time to time to let you know how it goes. (the smaller pot is a bit shallower and is really just primarily for lower growing lower growers, I also have two which I intend on trying at our families cottage (I won't go into those details until I get them into a position on the lake that I like (they were smaller divisions so I am totally not concerned about experimenting with them. Also they seem to be early pitcher and hardy varieties anyways which will mean that they have more time with their non pitcher leaves to regenerate and can hopefully survive in the 5b outside with only natures protection. If it is true that they will be fine if they are cold and stay cold than I think these will be just fine. And who knows we might learn something.
The plants I have currently Sarracenia flava var. maxima Suffolk VA ikely a AF gulfensis x AF leuco Sarracenia flava var. flava Brunswick NC Sarracenia rubra ssp rubra Brunswick NC S. psit x flava Bay FL wilisii x oreophila S. purpurea ssp venosa Brunswick Co. NC x S. flava var atropurpurea Blackwater State Forest FL S. X rehderi Brunswick NC rubra rubra x minor leucophylla... hurrican creek white x AF leuco (carries the reccessive AF gene) (this means 1/4 of self crosses would be Antho free)
Where did you get the HCW x AF leuc? Did you get more then one? Selfing Sarracenia usually results in genetic depression and you end up with poor growing plants. A sibling cross would still result in AF leucs but you would have better growth with the seedlings. Cool stuff, I love AF genetics.
I have studied hybridization and realize that depressions can happen both for the plants overall visor (and yourself if you don't get your desired results) But you can with a self cross or a back cross often find some unique recessive trait which you can then hybridize with say back onto the parent or a sibling or grandparent for example to re-strengthen the genetics and vigor while at the same time enhancing a desired genetic trait. I can already tell even in the weak transplanted pitchers coming from the leuco, that it will be quite a tall specimen, only time will tell if it is worth selfing
I only have the one and all of these came from Carl's. Although I do have another smaller plant with strong white markings which I might like to try my hand at. Also just to engage and exhibit the Antho Free genetics a selfing would be worth it, not for a potential named hybrid, but for breeding stock
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