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Post by dvg on Oct 30, 2011 15:18:18 GMT -5
This one always puts a smile on my face...the plant is very forgiving and easy to grow, and its scented flowers emit an intoxicating aroma, similar to a Datura flower, when the sunlight warms them. dvg
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Post by lloyd on Oct 30, 2011 17:47:37 GMT -5
A beautiful plant.
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Post by dvg on Oct 30, 2011 19:14:38 GMT -5
Thanks Lloyd, it's now my favorite orchid.
dvg
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Post by nwflytrap on Oct 31, 2011 7:54:49 GMT -5
Beautiful flower!
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Post by hackerberry on Nov 2, 2011 6:07:01 GMT -5
Stunning! What's the name and where did you get it Master D?
hb
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Post by dvg on Nov 3, 2011 7:55:40 GMT -5
Thanks guys! Jun, i received this plant a few years back from an OCPS member after i'd successfully gotten him hooked on Mexican Pings, and you know how addictive those things can be. As far as i know, this plant is a member of the Cattleya Alliance, meaning it is probably an epiphyte, although some are lithophytes (rock growers) as well. dvg
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Post by H2O on Nov 3, 2011 16:04:07 GMT -5
Looking good Doug, Im fairly possitive that your plant is Lc. Loog Tone. I would even go as far as saying that it's the 'Golden Apple' clone which also has an AM/OSROC. Does it tend to bloom every year at this time?
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Post by dvg on Nov 3, 2011 17:26:19 GMT -5
Looking good Doug, Im fairly possitive that your plant is Lc. Loog Tone. I would even go as far as saying that it's the 'Golden Apple' clone which also has an AM/OSROC. Does it tend to bloom every year at this time? Yes, this plant was flowering exactly at the same time last year... linkJustin could you please explain what the Lc. Loog Tone is and also what the AM/OSROC might be...it looks like it could be an acronym for the American Orchid Society or some such. I understand that 'Golden Apple' is a cultivar name. Thanks for the info in identifying this Cattleya, especially since i don't believe i ever had a positive ID for it. dvg
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Post by H2O on Nov 3, 2011 18:44:27 GMT -5
Hey Doug, I don't know if you know how naming orchids work but I'll give a short answer. All orchid hybrids are registered with the RHS (Royal Hort Society) so anyone can register a cross they want. For example I could cross Cattleya a and Cattleya b and register it with what ever name I wanted to, I could name it Cattleya Doug. This process is similar to registering CP cultivars except that the registered name applies to all the plants produced from this cross and not just a single clone. If Cattleya a and Cattleya b where hybrids then every seeding of Cattleya Doug could look different but they would still all be Cattleya Doug. Now the clonal name is always in single quotations, just like CP cultivars. Anyone can throw a clonal name onto a plant whether it is a species or a hybrid, these don't need to be registered anywhere and is only to keep track of single clones in a certain group. For example say there was a really nice Cattleya Doug, I could throw the clonal name on it 'The best' from now on that single plant along with all of it's divisions should be labeled Cattleya Doug 'the best'. Now say another one bloomed out and it's even better, you could call it 'spectacular' So even though there is the clone 'Spectacular' and 'the best' they are still both Cattleya Doug. I hope that part makes sense. Now the AM/OSROC is the award it has, there are several society's that give out awards for very nice plants. There is the AOS, American orchid society, the RHS and several other lesser known groups like the OSROS, the Orchid Society of the Republic Of China. Each group can hand out several different types of awards, cultural, botanical, interest and flower quality. The flower quality award are usually the most desired as it says 'this plant is outstanding' the awards are HCC, AM, FCC. Each standing for something like bronze, silver and Gold. HCC (Highly commended Certificate) are fairly common and tell you that the plant is worth an award and is def worth the time to grow, it's something to be proud of to get but there is still much more room for improvement. AM (award or merit) are much less common and means the flower is spectacular and very close to perfection but not all the way, these are what more people love to get. FCC (first class certificate) are downright rare (unless someone mericlones something in Thailand and sells it everywhere). An FCC is the best of the best, people are get dozens of AM's on their plants and never get an FCC, a friend of mine has close to three hundred awards and only has claim to one FCC. These plants are near perfection and will blow your mind most of the time. I could rant much longer on this but you get the point. So say you really like Cattleya Doug 'Spectacular' and think is awardable so you bring it to your local judging centre and they decided its worth an FCC because the AOS would be giving it to you, your plant now gets to have the letters FCC/AOS on the end of it. Sorta like phd for plants So now you have Cattleya Doug 'Spectacular' FCC/AOS and some guy in Thailand buys a division for $25,000 and mericlones it and sells it to every orchid nursery under the sun and it because available to everyone and is no longer worth 25 grand. That's how you probably ended up with Lc. Loog Tone 'Golden Apple' AM/OSROC I hope this helps you out Doug, Welcome to the confusing world of orchids. PS because you can cross different Genera with orchids you can cross a Cattleya and a Laelia and you get the man made genus of laeliocattleya long form for Lc. Just think of when you throw Brassolova into there too haha
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Post by dvg on Nov 3, 2011 19:11:39 GMT -5
Hey Doug, I don't know if you know how naming orchids work but I'll give a short answer. All orchid hybrids are registered with the RHS (Royal Hort Society) so anyone can register a cross they want. For example I could cross Cattleya a and Cattleya b and register it with what ever name I wanted to, I could name it Cattleya Doug. This process is similar to registering CP cultivars except that the registered name applies to all the plants produced from this cross and not just a single clone. If Cattleya a and Cattleya b where hybrids then every seeding of Cattleya Doug could look different but they would still all be Cattleya Doug. Now the clonal name is always in single quotations, just like CP cultivars. Anyone can throw a clonal name onto a plant whether it is a species or a hybrid, these don't need to be registered anywhere and is only to keep track of single clones in a certain group. For example say there was a really nice Cattleya Doug, I could throw the clonal name on it 'The best' from now on that single plant along with all of it's divisions should be labeled Cattleya Doug 'the best'. Now say another one bloomed out and it's even better, you could call it 'spectacular' So even though there is the clone 'Spectacular' and 'the best' they are still both Cattleya Doug. I hope that part makes sense. Now the AM/OSROC is the award it has, there are several society's that give out awards for very nice plants. There is the AOS, American orchid society, the RHS and several other lesser known groups like the OSROS, the Orchid Society of the Republic Of China. Each group can hand out several different types of awards, cultural, botanical, interest and flower quality. The flower quality award are usually the most desired as it says 'this plant is outstanding' the awards are HCC, AM, FCC. Each standing for something like bronze, silver and Gold. HCC (Highly commended Certificate) are fairly common and tell you that the plant is worth an award and is def worth the time to grow, it's something to be proud of to get but there is still much more room for improvement. AM (award or merit) are much less common and means the flower is spectacular and very close to perfection but not all the way, these are what more people love to get. FCC (first class certificate) are downright rare (unless someone mericlones something in Thailand and sells it everywhere). An FCC is the best of the best, people are get dozens of AM's on their plants and never get an FCC, a friend of mine has close to three hundred awards and only has claim to one FCC. These plants are near perfection and will blow your mind most of the time. I could rant much longer on this but you get the point. So say you really like Cattleya Doug 'Spectacular' and think is awardable so you bring it to your local judging centre and they decided its worth an FCC because the AOS would be giving it to you, your plant now gets to have the letters FCC/AOS on the end of it. Sorta like phd for plants So now you have Cattleya Doug 'Spectacular' FCC/AOS and some guy in Thailand buys a division for $25,000 and mericlones it and sells it to every orchid nursery under the sun and it because available to everyone and is no longer worth 25 grand. That's how you probably ended up with Lc. Loog Tone 'Golden Apple' AM/OSROC I hope this helps you out Doug, Welcome to the confusing world of orchids. PS because you can cross different Genera with orchids you can cross a Cattleya and a Laelia and you get the man made genus of laeliocattleya long form for Lc. Just think of when you throw Brassolova into there too haha Thanks for the tutorial Justin! It was quite informative and very interesting. So i understand that you are saying that my plant may be an intergeneric cross between a Cattleya and a Laelia...that's the Lc. part. 'Golden Apple' is the cultivar name and the AM/OSROC means it has an Award of Merit from the Orchid Society of the Rebublic of China. So does the Loog Tone designate that it is the name of the grex in this case, just as Doug was in your example? And Justin, you can tell all of that information and ID this orchid just by looking at it? That is very good work indeed there! I didn't realize there was that much information contained in these orchid names, so this was an eye-opening experience for me. You're obviously learning a great deal at Cloud Orchids. Now i'll have to google that name and see how it compares with my plant. Thanks again for the help with this! dvg
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Post by H2O on Nov 3, 2011 20:21:43 GMT -5
Hey Doug, You have everything correct! I am usually VERY reluctant to put clonal Names on plants that don't have ID because it's almost impossible to 100% sure but with plant I would feel very safe putting that clonal name on it. I'm not going to lie, I have a very hard time with complex Catt Hybrids and IDing them, most of the time its litteraly impossible because there can be 20 or 30 different crosses that look like each other. I was talking with a friend about the plant and we thought it might have been a Jungle Eyes or Jungle Elf Hybrid because of the lip, but the petals were too pointed to have Cattleya aclandiae so close in the background. I pointed out how waxy the flowers are and my friend had the thought that it might be a clone of Lc. Loog Tone, after looking it up we were possitive that it was. The funniest part of this whole story is that we were talking about this at Cloud's and going up and down the benches, not even 10 minutes after we decided what is what, we came across a nice waxy flower and we both started laughing before we looked at the tag. It was Lc. Loog Tone 'Golden Apple' AM/OSROC. Thats why I'm pretty sure of your plant
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Post by dvg on Nov 3, 2011 20:35:41 GMT -5
Wow ! very cool!
Just curious, but how much is that Lc. Loog Tone 'Golden Apple' plant going for there at Cloud Orchids...you might have someone interested in purchasing that one from this forum.
dvg
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Post by H2O on Nov 3, 2011 21:12:07 GMT -5
haha That plant is part of the collection so it won't be for sale until it has divions But there are some similar plants coming out this spring.
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Post by dvg on Nov 5, 2011 14:27:21 GMT -5
It's frosty outside, but with the sun shining, it's bright and warm inside and the sun's heat is making these flowers smell ever so lovely today... ...so i couldn't resist taking and posting at least one more indoor shot... dvg
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Post by dvg on Oct 25, 2013 16:03:21 GMT -5
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