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Post by kd on Sept 27, 2010 23:23:34 GMT -5
Just wondering what most of you do to control insects on your CPs. I have other plants besides CPs, and I use a mix of insecticidal soap and alcohol. I am hesitant to even use the soap on the CPs, because it might damage the roots, if it gets in to the media. What do you think?
Also, Aphids have been a big problem in the spring. They are fairly easy to control on other plants - either just wipe them off, or hose them off, but how do you get them off of VFTs or Drosera when they are right in the growing tip? A soap would work, but like I said, I'm concerned about hurting the plant. Any thoughts?
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Post by H2O on Sept 28, 2010 9:37:59 GMT -5
Safers End All.
I know there are a few people that use it here and I've never run into any problems since I started using it.
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Post by kd on Sept 28, 2010 23:07:06 GMT -5
Okay. So soaps don't harm the roots? Good to know.
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Post by jay on Oct 23, 2010 11:41:22 GMT -5
I ve had really bad results with it , my advice stay away from pretty much all the insecticidal soap based products with cp , i use Neem oil , its good also in combination with beneficial mites / and nematodes . Also depending what pests are you dealing with ?
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Post by kd on Oct 24, 2010 23:47:28 GMT -5
Two different opinions and observations here. Do I use End All or Neem oil?? Mainly it's aphids and some scale I'm dealing with. Beneficial insects are cool, but in the house?? I'd like to try, but don't want to introduce more bugs than I already have in the house. ;D
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Post by robthered on Nov 26, 2010 9:31:06 GMT -5
I use Safer's neem pre mix spray they sell. I think it's like 15 bucks or something. It worked great this summer when I got thirps. They're back again so I'm spraying every 5 days. Since the second dose I gave the plants I have only seen one bug. The plants seem to like the spray as well.
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Post by dvg on Nov 26, 2010 10:21:42 GMT -5
I've also had success with neem oil, but just one treatment is seldom enought to fully control pests.
A neem regimen usually has to be carried out three or four times, in order to give best protection.
dvg
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Post by robthered on Nov 26, 2010 12:22:34 GMT -5
I've also had success with neem oil, but just one treatment is seldom enought to fully control pests. A neem regimen usually has to be carried out three or four times, in order to give best protection. dvg Good advice DVG, I'll keep with the treatments for a few more weeks.
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Post by lloyd on Nov 26, 2010 15:03:04 GMT -5
I usually find Al Bickell's Neem recipe is needed only once, maybe very rarely twice. Mind you for scale or mealy bug I mechanically pre-treat with alcohol.
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Post by dvg on Nov 26, 2010 16:31:07 GMT -5
Neem is safe, you can eat it, if you don't mind garlic-peanut breath. I've kept my neem (pure oil, like margerine in the fridge) for years and it still seems to be fine. Also the smell, to me, is fairly minor and "weird-foody" rather than nauseating chemical. The bottle doesn't smell in the fridge. I keep the recipe in a spray bottle in a zip-lock in the fridge and it doesn't smell at all. Here's Al Bickell's recipe: 1 litre water 2-3 cc Neem oil few drops of Eucalyptus oil (for red-spider mite) 1 tbsp light mineral oil 5-6 drops dishwater detergent Shake vigorously to suspend oils. Keep in fridge to keep fresh. Must be room temperature to keep Neem oil liquid. For scale use double the Neem concentration. In my experience the normal strength is fine on Mexican pings and larger Sarracenia. The higher strength is toxic to VFT's and small Sarracenia but they do bounce back. I have never tried it on utrics. Sundews do not like it and I would be careful trying it on them. Rob, you could try Al Bickell recipe for your Neps. I've heard good things about but haven't actually tried it myself. It should work well on Neps, but as Lloyd noted above, be careful with getting overspray on some of the more sensitive CP species. dvg
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Post by hermes on Nov 27, 2010 14:12:20 GMT -5
When I first heard about neem, I had to admit that I was skeptical. Quite frankly, I was skeptical that it could treat against insects and fungal infections. Previously, I had used orthene against insect invaders, but it was really nasty (unsafe) to use. I avoid "soaps" because they can be toxic to more sensitive CPs. Since my plants were all indoors and I had a pet rabbit, I had to find something safer so I did end up trying neem. I had aphids attacking a d. regia and rust attacking a n. ventricosa and n. rafflesiana. I was pleased to find out that neem was highly effective in treating both issues. It took care of aphids on only one treatment.
-Hermes.
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Post by dvg on Nov 27, 2010 19:48:37 GMT -5
Hard to beat Neem Oil for being non-toxic. It's a 'Green Dream' dvg
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Post by chinlee on Dec 3, 2010 13:24:31 GMT -5
This is a product that can be purchased at our local Home Depot. Since it is readily available, can anybody who have used this Safer's Neem Oil product on their CP's please post your experience. The following info would be great: - type of CP it was used on - what pest did you observe or trying to eliminate - any negative effect on the CP it was used on Thanks
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Post by lloyd on Dec 3, 2010 14:05:22 GMT -5
Check the other non-neem ingredients. Any oil will be really bad on any dewy CP. Any insecticidal soap will be bad for any but the toughest CP's. It's really easy to mix your own and that way you can keep toxicity down. Even neem is CP toxic (particularly VFT's), especially in scale concentration.
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Post by robthered on Dec 3, 2010 19:01:32 GMT -5
This is a product that can be purchased at our local Home Depot. Since it is readily available, can anybody who have used this Safer's Neem Oil product on their CP's please post your experience. The following info would be great: - type of CP it was used on - what pest did you observe or trying to eliminate - any negative effect on the CP it was used on Thanks Hey Chinlee, I've used this exact same stuff on my neps. I had thirps during the summer, and gave 1 dose and they were gone but did not continue with the applications after that. Now recently I discovered they had returned. I've done 3 doses now and dont see any. I'm going to keep up with the applications for a few more weeks or so to make sure that I get any that might still be alive or any eggs that might hatch. But so far I dont see any and my plants are lookin good . On a side note Labine told me about an insect which can be puchased that hunts for thirps. It's called Amblyseius cucumeris (= Neoseiulus cucumeris). Here's a link to the description. www.biconet.com/biocontrol/cucumeris.htmlOH THE CARNAGE!
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