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Post by Flytrap on Nov 1, 2007 20:55:34 GMT -5
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Post by Syble on Nov 4, 2007 8:59:27 GMT -5
they are cute little buggers! Sib
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Post by vraev on Nov 4, 2007 17:58:11 GMT -5
wow...they are sooo cute. D....can u show me some pics of the red eyes u recently bought?? guys....a question.... do u regularly handle the frogs? I heard its very bad for them...but how do u take care of them? I mean u just let them be??
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Post by Syble on Nov 8, 2007 20:52:03 GMT -5
mostly let them be, I used to handle my tree frogs a fair amount. I always made sure my hands were clean of course. but I had them trained, they'd jump on my hand and I'd give them a cricket from tweezers. the darts get more skittish if you handle them, so my interaction tends to be pictures, feeding, that kind of stuff, but they have yet to wake me up, thats key! Sib
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Post by vraev on Nov 8, 2007 21:40:44 GMT -5
I remember reading that the azereus are pretty delicate and not like handling. I mean how long would it take for your frog to realise that you are not going to harm it and infact become TAME enough to jump on your hand to accept food?
As I probably mentioned sometime earlier, I love chameleons. I want to get one some day. But, I remember reading that they HATE to be handled...especially when they are not accustomed to you and go into stress very very easily and can go down hill. Infact, on the same note, the frogs apparently go crazy when the mister goes on in some terrarium...I don't know where I read this.
How hard is it to keep animals like this? I remember reading that they require a nice varied diet an dnot the same thing over and over.... it seems to sound pretty daunting.
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Post by Syble on Nov 9, 2007 16:02:33 GMT -5
I'm by no means an expert, math would know better, but I find my darts to be very care free. I culture 2 different kinds of FF for some varriety, and as a bonus the extra can go to the plants. just a timing thing I find really. Like all living things they like to have a routine, and they will fall into it. Sib
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Post by Flytrap on Nov 11, 2007 14:00:56 GMT -5
I'm really getting into frogs! ;D
The frogs will keep me entertained over our winter, while my CPs sleep over. So in preparation for my interest in frogs, I ordered and received a couple of dozen new frog books this past week... Amazon and Chapters got some really nice book selections. I also found another nice Canadian book source: bookcloseouts.
Don't forget, one of the best places to find hard to get books at a real decent price, is from Kenboorman's Lisa's Lair Bookstore.
I'll also be checking out a frog breeder tomorrow.
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Post by vraev on Nov 11, 2007 14:50:57 GMT -5
whoa! a few dozen books? that is insane? How deep r u into this D? lol! sounds like its costing u a fortune? wow. I cannot imagine spending soo much at an instant. Though lol... I probably would do something like that once I have my own job.
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Post by Syble on Nov 11, 2007 22:16:53 GMT -5
They are as addictive as CPs vraev! I'll be getting a new tank in about a week thanks to an early birthday gift certificate (have to wait till the new shipment comes in). And I'll be getting a group of microspot auratus at the end of the month! And somewhere in all that I still have to make my way north to toronto to get my broms and male costarica auratus... see just as bad hehe. Sib
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Post by vraev on Nov 11, 2007 22:31:10 GMT -5
syb....I don't know about frogs but currently I am hooked to plants. lol! I never ever in life expected this to happen. lol! I really want to make me a natural looking enclousure that is a heaven for mosses and add a "new" talang inthere. One question: how often do u have to turn the terrarium upside down to clean it inside out? Isn't it needed regularly? PS syb...pls check ur PM.
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Post by Flytrap on Nov 12, 2007 0:19:35 GMT -5
The toughest thing about raising frogs is the ability to obtain a good source of quality live food. Had some fun out in the yard today collecting cut worms and small slugs to feed my fire belly toads. I quite like these fire bellies... quite inexpensive and very friendly little animals. Like Sib sez... frogs and CPs are equally addictive. Yes, I am really starting to enjoy my growing collection of frogs. What I find really amazing about these little tiger legs is the size of their poop, and their quantity. I spent the whole afternoon cleaning the terrarium. I can't wait until these baby tiger legs grow up. I hope they breed so I can share some of them with you. LIke Math sez, these frogs are quite fun to have. These frogs, Phyllomedusa hypocondrialis are nocturnal and really slow moving animals. It's really quite comical watching them chase down fruit flies in slow motion. Maybe this forum should be renamed "OCP&FS" - Ontario CP and Frogs Society
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Post by Syble on Nov 12, 2007 8:14:07 GMT -5
Well I knew there was a frog/reptile fan base here and there is overlap, thats why I created the terrarium section. I've been told by one of the largest breeders of PDF in canada, that if you have your tank set up right and don't have it too crowded, then you need not worry about it. that being said I figure once a year minimum is good. I mean there is regular maintanence type stuff for darts, like cleaning poop of of plant leaves and glass. but any poop that is on the regular ground bit, thats not an issue at all. It gets broken down and used for the plants, rather quickly I might add.My first tank thats still in use was made round the beginning of august or end of july. ocps.proboards78.com/index.cgi?board=terrariums&action=display&thread=1185933722 the only maintainence that I've done aside from planting and replanintg and trimming was yesterday to wipe the glass down (was getting some algae. once a month I go and spray all the leaf surfaces clean too. occasionally more often depending on how messy they are. I probably do that less. I have probably a complete ecosystem in there for breaking down waste. I have mushrooms showing up on a regular time. I have a thriving population of spring tails (which I didn't put in, must have come with rain water some how). Not to mention all the plants and mosses that just envelop any waste. Now tree frogs were alot messier for me. I was constantly wiping down the glass. And firebellies were in the middle (although I never had them in a planted terrarium). they had bigger poops, but fewer. and they are only ground dwelling so it might not be so bad... They are a great frog, I miss mine Well thats all I got! Sib
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Post by vraev on Nov 12, 2007 10:39:33 GMT -5
see ... its the cleaning which puts me off. And it concerns me as well. I mean you create a nice naturalistic design and then what.... you have to remove all of it as the animals pooped it up. lol! In either case, I still can't get any animals as my terrarium is like 4.5 gal. But, one day I will get me a nice 90 gal one or so and make me a INDOORHOUSE.de
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Post by Flytrap on Nov 12, 2007 15:37:50 GMT -5
Yes, a balanced ecosystem will recycle the poop. It's just that I currently house all my baby tiger legs in a sterile 5 gallon aquarium (sans decorations), with a small tree branch for them to climb on. This way, the newly morphed froggies can find food much more easily, and the potential for disease is minimized in such a sterile container. I took the tree branch out to hose off all the poop pellets on the leaves. I'll set up the naturalistic vivarium for these young ones in about a month when they are bigger and fatter. I'm experimenting on the sorts of CPs that can be housed together with small frogs. I doubt there'd be any nep species, but definitely, some droseras, terrestrial utrics and maybe some others. A carpet of drosera capensis may look interesting...but am wondering if such a mass quantity of sundews could spell doom for weak frogs ...
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Post by Syble on Nov 12, 2007 19:22:11 GMT -5
with misting I've found that my sundews won't keep dew (specifically adelea). Sib
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