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Post by titom on Apr 26, 2008 12:56:48 GMT -5
Hey! Do you guys think that this is a D.Natalensis? I taked seeds from rarexoticseeds.com, and just one sprouted. Here it is: Thanks! Bye
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Post by lloyd on Apr 26, 2008 14:21:57 GMT -5
So many look like that.
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Post by tom on Apr 26, 2008 14:56:13 GMT -5
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Post by titom on Apr 26, 2008 17:30:31 GMT -5
Really? Natalensis and coccicaulis are synonyms? Oh.. I have tons of coccicaulis. Venusta??? Well, I dont believe it for venusta to be honest .. lol My coccicaulis never get big like that. Thanks guys! I'll see later what it will look like. But if I want to propagate that plant, I wont be able to tell its a natalensis for sure Thanks for the answers guys! tom
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Post by PingKing on May 4, 2008 21:35:15 GMT -5
it looks like my coccicaulis check my pictures it should be a picture of it there.
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Post by Syble on May 5, 2008 7:49:27 GMT -5
technically they're all supposed to be the same, but I've always noticed some differences when growing them, but haven't got all 3 mature yet to remember what they were lolha! Sib
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Post by PingKing on May 5, 2008 19:35:50 GMT -5
weird mine natas look like aliciae more than coccicaulis.
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Post by titom on May 8, 2008 15:25:25 GMT -5
Hummm, its odd. But the sad thing in that is that if someone want one, I cant tell its for sure a natalensis. But I think it is ( about 70 % for natalensis and 30 % for coccicaulis). Thanks for your answers guys! tom
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Post by Christian on Jul 27, 2008 3:25:29 GMT -5
Hi, my name is Christian from Germany. I am new to this forum and this is my first post. Drosera venusta is regarded as a synonym for Drosera natalensis by some botanist. Most of them do separate them though. The main difference for me is the seeds. The seeds of Drosera venusta are much longer than those of Drosera natalensis. The flowers are different as well (the styles of Drosera venusta are more divided than those of D. natalensis). At least in theory this helps to distinguish these two plants. But, as life does not follow the wishes of botanist, there are forms around, that cannot really put to one of the two plants. If Drosera dielsiana comes in, this is getting more complex. Drosera dielsiana is defined by almost round(!) seeds and a spone-shaped style. Most of the plants i know from cultivation do not fit this description. In fact i have not yet seen (although they are cultivated) a good example of what i would call Drosera dielsiana. And with Drosera aliciae this is getting even more complex and irritating. You see, there is still a lot of work to do with plants from this complex! Drosera "coccicaulis" does actually not exist. A plant with this name has never been described officially. That name was created by Paul Debbert (who described Drosera venusta) to prevent the plant from theft in his greenhouse (see that old post from Stefan here: www.terraforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82254&page=4)Technically, Drosera "coccicaulis" is a form of Drosera venusta, that was not collected on the type location. Saddly, the exact location where this plant comes from is not known. The plant on the pictures above looks very close to what most people cultivate as Drosera dielsiana (which i think, is rather Drosera natalensis). regards, Christian
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Post by lloyd on Jul 27, 2008 7:17:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the help and welcome to the forum.
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Post by mabudon on Jul 27, 2008 9:31:18 GMT -5
Ahhhh- that's some fascinating stuff Christian (I'm assuming this is Herr Dietz from the depth of your post) Thanks so much for posting that- I call my speciemn that was labelled as such "coccicaulis" in quotes cos I always knew there was something odd about the naming- tho now I don't know WHAT to describe it as
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Post by Rick Hillier on Jul 27, 2008 15:42:08 GMT -5
I have both coccicaulis and venusta... I thought they looked somewhat similar. Now I know why. Thanks for the info.
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Post by titom on Jul 28, 2008 11:27:18 GMT -5
Wow! Thanks christian! I have d.dielsiana and d.coccicaulis. Maybe I should post pics of the seeds of the plant that I call d.natalensis?
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Post by Christian on Jul 28, 2008 14:04:38 GMT -5
Hi, yes, pictures of Drosera flowers and seeds are always interesting Christian
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